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Old 12-13-2007, 06:47 PM
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Putting Bush alongside someone like Hitler and Stalin is ludicrous. Whether or not you agree with his policies and decisions in office is not the point. Hitler was a madman whose intent was to annihilate the Jewish people. Millions were tortured and killed because of him. Stalin was another mass murderer of his own people. I'm not defending Bush but I find it repugnant to put him in the same class with someone as evil as those two.
i wonder if some of this includes leadership capability. some are evil people, while being capable leaders, some result in or inspire the spread of "bad" due to their leadership capabilities (or lack thereof). i'm not naming names, but i wonder if the wide variety of people listed here has a bit to do with this. i would argue that a single horrible decision could result in some vast horrible. the decision by a single seemingly wonderful person to develop and/or use a horrible piece of technology can have consequences decades or centuries later...or quite immediately.

one question could be, "what leader via his or her leadership (or lack thereof) - including charisma, respectability, priorities, guidance, decision making ability, understanding of relevant affairs, evil, ignorance, lack of talent of any kind - has resulted in or will result in the most 'bad'?"

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Old 12-13-2007, 09:41 PM
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Bush in my opinion is an appalling leader, a moron and a war criminal but in all fairness I can't compare him even remotely to any of the above mentioned.
Bush is not a "war criminal." The 1991 cease-fire agreement with Iraq gave the U.S. legal authorization to resume military action against that country if it was broken (which it was).
Congress also approved resuming military action.

How about Clinton... sending troops (and ordering bombings in Iraq) to countries like Bosnia, Kosovo and Haiti without Congressional approval. Was he a "war criminal?"

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Old 12-26-2007, 01:03 PM
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TO HUMANITY - A thought has just comed into my mind, that all these terrible leaders we have seen in history have done all these ugly to us with our consent. We have allowed them. Why not stand up, let no one bring us down, die if we may, but die for the right cause - die for the truth! We can do it! Why let fear rule our lives? You know all those million of people who have died and are dying at the hands terrible leaders have died because we also failed to do what was needed to save them - one for all, all for one. We failed them. To certain degree we are also guilty, Infact we may be even more guilty than these leader because we over and over again allow these things to happen and never learn.

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Old 12-26-2007, 01:28 PM
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Mugabe. Unlike Hitler or Stalin, who made their countries powerful and raised standards of living, mugabe's people are starving and dieing.

So... he's the worst leader in the world.. atleast that I'm aware of.

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Old 12-26-2007, 05:37 PM
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George W Bush Jr is one of the worst if he can even be called a leader.

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Old 12-27-2007, 08:26 PM
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Present day, Bush is a disgrace as are his puppet masters.

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Old 12-27-2007, 09:22 PM
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Present day, Bush is a disgrace as are his puppet masters.
but he sure looks more like the next door neighbor that so many people would have liked to invite into their living room before they knew him on a plasma screen TV than that Kerry ever would have. does your mute button work?

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Old 12-28-2007, 07:14 AM
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That is why I'm afraid not more people will listen to what Ron Paul has to say. He appear too intellectual to a lot of people. I hope this will turn out to be wrong. I'm afraid USA will end up having another deceitful administration made up of people such as Donald Rumsfeld: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol4qL3HgM4w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0fArr1p_LQ

Those two videos are self-explanatory why we need to see a change.

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but he sure looks more like the next door neighbor that so many people would have liked to invite into their living room before they knew him on a plasma screen TV than that Kerry ever would have. does your mute button work?

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Old 12-28-2007, 09:20 AM
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Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinek would turn our country around for the better. I do beleive they speak for whats in most Americans hearts, if only the media (owned by "Big Brother" corp america)would not treat them as the invisibles. They remind me a bit a Jack and Bobby who were looked up to as possible 'saviours' of a corrupt power monopoly. We know what happened to them.

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Old 12-28-2007, 10:12 AM
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Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinek would turn our country around for the better. I do believe they speak for whats in most Americans hearts, if only the media (owned by "Big Brother" corp America)would not treat them as the invisibles.
We're going off topic now, but, though I'm not sure whether Paul and/or Kucinek would turn the country around for the better, at the very least they would present real choice, whereas for sure Bushton/Clintbush are a continuation of each other, in terms both actual policy and whom they represent, whether GeorgeBillGeorgeJrHilary and maybe later Jeb.

The US ruling class is becoming a bit incestuous, a bit like others around the world, nuts!

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