Is immigration a problem in Europe? (crime, employment, neighborhoods)

[GraniteStater]

The deal with immigration into Europe is that many countries need more workers to fill the jobs. Many countries in Europe have some of the lowest birth rates in the world, and the number of working age people is rapidly decreasing as more workers retire. It makes logical since if you look at what is happening in many European countries. Now, a greater number of immigrants are coming to those countries that do not have very strict immigration policies.

[DontH8Me]

Originally Posted by NYLATINQT

THis is not meant to start hating on anybody. But I've heard of Europe called "Eurabia" because of the huge Muslim population. It's said they do not assimilate well into the European culture and there are alot of problems. My husband is Muslim so I don't have anything against muslim people. I'm just curious to know how much of a problem it really is. I mean, they've had a number of terrorist attacks in Europe. I've seen news footage on TV where the Muslims are protesting in the streets, etc...I've never seen that here in the US and I think it would be shocking if it did happen.
Anybody that watches CNN hears all the talk about illegal aliens in our country (primarily Mexicans) but aside from people afraid of them taking away jobs (and that's open for debate), they are not really a threat. So what's the real deal with immigration in Europe?

A. I've seen protesting en masse in the streets from all over the US on many occasions, except replace Muslim with illegal aliens. Are you shocked? Check out YouTube if you don't believe it.

B. Not really a threat? Why not try to convince the families of the 45,625 people in the US whose lives have been cut short by illegal aliens since 9/11. That's just deaths - I am not even including the child molestations, identity thefts, rapes, drug trafficking, et al. Maybe we have a different idea about what counts as a threat.

[thomas.cl]

Germany has many many turks, some know how to adjust to another country and some don't.

[Huckleberry3911948]

Originally Posted by NYLATINQT

THis is not meant to start hating on anybody. But I've heard of Europe called "Eurabia" because of the huge Muslim population. It's said they do not assimilate well into the European culture and there are alot of problems. My husband is Muslim so I don't have anything against muslim people. I'm just curious to know how much of a problem it really is. I mean, they've had a number of terrorist attacks in Europe. I've seen news footage on TV where the Muslims are protesting in the streets, etc...I've never seen that here in the US and I think it would be shocking if it did happen.
Anybody that watches CNN hears all the talk about illegal aliens in our country (primarily Mexicans) but aside from people afraid of them taking away jobs (and that's open for debate), they are not really a threat. So what's the real deal with immigration in Europe?

very very complex stuff.
i wish allen greenspan was around to answer this stuff.
massive population changes. poor people moving away from poor areas.
with it taking with them poor people traditions and poor people cultural practices. are they good or bad practices? there is definitely income distribution going on which is good.
both sides are getting something they need. the question is what makes the rich countries rich? is it a constant flow of poor people with cheap labor.
or is it that the ideals of the rich countries is what makes them rich and their own culture. totally open question. what is the role and the motive of the immigrant. is there a danger that the immigrant will reject the host culture and attempt to implant the culture that they had in their homeland.
was it the culture of the immigrant that made their homeland uncomfortable and poor?
open question. is the current rich country, the host, corrupt and about to go downhill and needs immigration and the culture of the immigrating people to survive. history of rome provides lots of analogies to look at all imperfect.
open question.
stephen s
san diego ca

[NYLATINQT]

Originally Posted by Ad_87

Hi guys, Just to add my tuppence worth. England has a huge problem with immigration and is often coined Englanistan, I'm of the belief that the countries going down hill, for various reasons (including joining the EU, loss of freedoms e.t.c.) a major one being the strain on Public services due to immigration, now I'm not in anyway racist but I'm in the same mind as a lot of working / middle class people... we're an Island and enough is enough. There seems to be a growing racial divide, the primary reason being that immigrants to a large degree don't seem to want to integrate... This was reflected on Saint George's day (England's National Saint) whereby our national flag is traditionally flown and celebrations take place... Well, some ethnic minorities seemed to take offense at this, and apparently it could be deemed racist... in my opinion if they're not happy then they're welcome to leave, simple as. My culture is being destroyed, political correctness has gone mad in the UK.

The U.K. joined the EU? When did that happen?

[Ad_87]

Hi Nylatinqt, we joined the European Union in 1973, so a few years ago now, but it goes as far as not fully controlling our own borders, and having to import produce instead of being self sufficient it also puts pressure on us for joining the Euro. We have basically lost our sovereignty, are losing our national identity - The policies and treaties are created in Europe and have to be applied through our own legislation. We have to plough money into other developing countries and we would basically be better off out of it. Just my tuppence worth. Yes it does have it advantages, but the cons far out way the pro's in my personal opinion. Now that countries like Bulgaria and Romania have joined even more are choosing the Uk, not to mention the influx of poles, in my home town in the Staffordshire Moorlands, accommodation is being built for cheap labor from Eastern Europe, and the government gives away council houses e.t.c. and the immigrants are considered more urgent cases than the native people. I'm sick to the core with how the UK has become, the government is taking away out personal liberties and it's becoming more like a big brother state day by day, but that's another issue.

Adam.

[mrkennethporter]

In Ireland we have never really had an Immagration problem till now.

I am a carpenter but have seen my price fall and fall as more Polish come over and take the work from the Irish workers for half the price.

The land lords are the only ones benefiting from all the eastern Europeans invading our small prosperous country.

Most Irish lads have homes and families to maintain while the polish save there euros and take them home to Poland

I don't know what to do.

Construction is all I know but we are being out numbered.

Our beter skill is the only thing keeping us in front at the moment.

There is a real general hatred emerging for the foreign worker now among Irish workers, I see it every day with our lads. The private sector ie. bus drivers and strong union based companies just don't let them in .

Is an Irish Workers Union the answer??

I'm not racist but would hate to see an Irish man out of work in his home country because I foreign worker took his place for half the price.

The polish make 4 times here compared to wages in Poland.

we are being swamped!!!!!!!

[clongirl]

Yes, there are huge problems with immigration in Ireland- but sad how the Irish are becoming more and more intolerant when just only 10-20 years ago it was the Irish emigrating to places like England, Germany, and America for jobs (mainly construction). I just don't understand how the Irish of all people can be so bitter and angry (I'm not saying you are) when so much of their history was all about leaving for an opportunity for work. How do I know? I married an Irishman that along with many of his friends and brothers, all were forced to leave Ireland because there weren't any jobs whatsoever in Ireland. And remember also, that there was HUGE hatred for the Irish immigrants (and others) in America in the late 1800's for the same reasons you stated (would work in dangerous jobs, low pay etc) with regards to the Polish and Eastern Europeans coming over. Now that the "Celtic Tiger" is in full swing, most of the higher end jobs are going to the Irish because of their generally high level of education and work ethic.

[mrkennethporter]

Originally Posted by clongirl

Yes, there are huge problems with immigration in Ireland- but sad how the Irish are becoming more and more intolerant when just only 10-20 years ago it was the Irish emigrating to places like England, Germany, and America for jobs (mainly construction). I just don't understand how the Irish of all people can be so bitter and angry (I'm not saying you are) when so much of their history was all about leaving for an opportunity for work. How do I know? I married an Irishman that along with many of his friends and brothers, all were forced to leave Ireland because there weren't any jobs whatsoever in Ireland. And remember also, that there was HUGE hatred for the Irish immigrants (and others) in America in the late 1800's for the same reasons you stated (would work in dangerous jobs, low pay etc) with regards to the Polish and Eastern Europeans coming over. Now that the "Celtic Tiger" is in full swing, most of the higher end jobs are going to the Irish because of their generally high level of education and work ethic.

you are completely correct. but we are such a small country and trying to digest such a huge number of new comers all at the one time is hard.

I cant even get my son into our local school because all the places have been taken by new members of out community.

I'm afraid that despite out past it is only human nature to dislike the man who take the bread of you table.

[nativeDallasite]

Originally Posted by NYLATINQT

THis is not meant to start hating on anybody. But I've heard of Europe called "Eurabia" because of the huge Muslim population. It's said they do not assimilate well into the European culture and there are alot of problems. My husband is Muslim so I don't have anything against muslim people. I'm just curious to know how much of a problem it really is. I mean, they've had a number of terrorist attacks in Europe. I've seen news footage on TV where the Muslims are protesting in the streets, etc...I've never seen that here in the US and I think it would be shocking if it did happen.
Anybody that watches CNN hears all the talk about illegal aliens in our country (primarily Mexicans) but aside from people afraid of them taking away jobs (and that's open for debate), they are not really a threat. So what's the real deal with immigration in Europe?

The real deal is that it's a problem. I feel that xenophobia in Europe is worse than it is here; others may disagree. Let them. I found that the French seemed OK with sub-Saharan Africans but did not seem to like Arabs/Muslims or the Chinese. The British didn't seem to like anyone...the Swiss either.

There is definitely Islamophobia and tension between Muslim communities and native Europeans in every European country that has a Muslim population of any size.