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Old 05-21-2012, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Belgium
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Tell that to the British and French nuclear warheads that can destroy Earth several times. This isn't the 40s anymore, the time of huge armies warfare is long gone. Otherwise the US should be trembling at the thought of North Korea's army if it was just numbers.
that. The thing with European armies is not that they are lousy or inefficient. The thing is that the European politicians (and most common people as well) do not wish to really use their armies other than for defensive and/or humanitarian purposes.
I'd like to see what would happen if the chinese would attack (well, actually I don't, but you understand my point). I think quite a lot of Americans would be surprized by the force of European armies unleashed .
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:40 PM
 
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Avondrood

If China invades the EEC, all CEOs of the most important EEC corporations would rush to sell their products to Chinese generals. No way Europe will ever unleash any real power without Americans pushing them.

There's a saying....Europe is an Economic Giant, an Important Political Force and a MILITARY ANT.
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:56 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Avondrood

If China invades the EEC, all CEOs of the most important EEC corporations would rush to sell their products to Chinese generals. No way Europe will ever unleash any real power without Americans pushing them.

There's a saying....Europe is an Economic Giant, an Important Political Force and a MILITARY ANT.
The constituent countries of Europe have a lot of firepower both collectively and individually. I think you've basically skewed your brains a bit by comparing Europe's military spending with the US's which is completely out of proportion from that of any other country in the world.

The EU and its constituent countries actually has greater military expenditures than China does with France or the UK alone having military expenditures comparable to Russia's (and much of Russia's military expenditures is from updating or maintaining incredibly antiquated equipment).
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Old 05-21-2012, 01:09 PM
 
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Did I ever mentioned military expenditures?
I just stressed (as Avondrood) that the EEC won't use their military power without the US pushing behind.
Military expenditure is meaningless, since the US (also NATO) has a technological gap of ten years on conventional weapons.
Mainland China or Russia can spend whatever amount they wish, but the US (NATO) will always be ahead 10 years on conventional weapons.
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:25 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Did I ever mentioned military expenditures?
I just stressed (as Avondrood) that the EEC won't use their military power without the US pushing behind.
Military expenditure is meaningless, since the US (also NATO) has a technological gap of ten years on conventional weapons.
Mainland China or Russia can spend whatever amount they wish, but the US (NATO) will always be ahead 10 years on conventional weapons.
Shouldn't what you actually have in your arsenal be part of how you judge a military? Or does the actual military itself not count when we're talking about military power (only the willingness to be belligerent matters, right)?
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Old 05-21-2012, 06:16 PM
 
Location: USA
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LOL! "The Russian Federation". or, The Putin Empire.
More in common with the Chicago Mob than a normally run country.
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Old 05-21-2012, 06:30 PM
 
Location: USA
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Did I ever mentioned military expenditures?
I just stressed (as Avondrood) that the EEC won't use their military power without the US pushing behind.
Military expenditure is meaningless, since the US (also NATO) has a technological gap of ten years on conventional weapons.
Mainland China or Russia can spend whatever amount they wish, but the US (NATO) will always be ahead 10 years on conventional weapons.
We are basically the unpaid Merc leg of NATO.
We really have the only Military with a large scale battle proven record in the world. An Airforce thats as powerfull as all of our potential adversaries combined. Tanks and tankers with a recent proven track record. Add in the Canadians and Brits and no one combined is going to take us on in a conventional war.
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Old 05-23-2012, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Belgium
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There's a saying....Europe is an Economic Giant, an Important Political Force and a MILITARY ANT.
Well said. The will is everything, and the will in Europe simply isn't there...
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Old 05-24-2012, 11:45 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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More in common with the Chicago Mob than a normally run country.
Tragically, this is so. And it's not going to change as long as Putin is around. Though you never know--miracles can happen. But in Russia, the rule of thumb in this regard is: the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Old 05-24-2012, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Bishkek
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We still need NATO, on the other hand the United Nations is a "Waste".
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