When dating women internationally as an American guy, does it only help if you are White? (to live in, authority)
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How does hatred of often criminal (including terrorism) muslim Caucasians proves your point about "better be slavic"?
"Racism" towards Uzbeks/Tajiks is not really racism, but a worry that there are way too many of them lately, and that they steal jobs. Unique position, yeah?
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Although, I have been hearing more and more that Russian women are marrying East Asians, specifically Koreans, in droves.
False. They did and do marry Koreans living in Russia (since the Korean War) - it's not common, but happens.
But as one Russian woman told me, "Chinese men are kinder and more attentive to their wives. And they usually have more money.""
That woman has been almost torturted by media She's from some dying village, and she said (in her defense ): "Russian men here are all alcoholics and don't work - my Chinese husband is the opposite".
In Russia the opposite is a common knowledge. But of course some English-speaking guy knows better
I never implied that I am more knowledgeable because I am an english-speaker, I am just telling you what is "known" within the US. Plus the position I come from makes sense, in part because most countries that have been invaded throughout history (China, Japan, many Southeast Asian countries, Spain, South Africa, etc.) all have the same xenophobic streak that Russia does, as I said, it's "somewhat understandable." But, if the opposite is common knowledge in Russia, I can't refute or change the minds of 100 million + people
How does hatred of often criminal (including terrorism) muslim Caucasians proves your point about "better be slavic"?
I just don't know how you can keep your head in the sand about this. If not muslims, these people will attack anything else that is not them. And the reports obviously shows that this is a serious enough problem that people around the world are taking note, as well as the Russian leaders.
"Racism" towards Uzbeks/Tajiks is not really racism, but a worry that there are way too many of them lately, and that they steal jobs. Unique position, yeah?
Nope not at all, but attacking Congolese and East Asians students because of it is
False. They did and do marry Koreans living in Russia (since the Korean War) - it's not common, but happens.
I'm not understanding, I just said that Koreans marry and date Russians...?
I am just telling you what is "known" within the US.
Don't you know anything about Cold War propaganda? There was a time, when it was common knowledge that people in USSR are enslaved by some commies Many still don't know the truth.
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most countries that have been invaded throughout history (China, Japan, many Southeast Asian countries, Spain, South Africa, etc.) all have the same xenophobic streak that Russia does
Your theory fails due to lack of knowledge, two things in particular:
1. Russians have never been xenophobic, except for people who harmed them.
2. Russia is a multicultural state, and (among citizens) only Caucasians experience dislike.
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I just don't know how you can keep your head in the sand about this. If not muslims, these people will attack anything else that is not them.
This is your fantasy. These are some of the features of muslim Caucasians in Russia:
- "All Russian females are whores, and they should thank a true man like me for raping them".
- They can attack a person (usually some smallish student) walking down the street, just because they had a bad mood.
- Their diasporas behave like mafia.
- They are terrorists - real and very brutal terrorists!
- Infidels must die! Not all of them believe in this, but many do.
Russians dislike towards them is not racist. If you don't understand this - to hell with you
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Nope not at all, but attacking Congolese and East Asians students because of it is
Care to compare with the U.S?
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I'm not understanding, I just said that Koreans marry and date Russians...?
You told that there's a growing trend - that's not true. Some marriages with Russian Koreans have always happened. Let alone dating - there was even a rock-star sex symbol (for women) Victor Tsoi (Russian Korean).
There are two sides to Russian culture ( and it probably always has been so.)
One side of Russian culture is very inclusive and very welcoming; after all historically Russia has been absorbing a lot of other nationalities in the "mainstream," and Russian territories were including the lands with indigenous population as well. Part of Russians firmly believe that non-Slavic people born and raised in Russian culture should be considered "Russian," while other are talking about the "title nation" - meaning that only those of pure Slavic blood should be regarded as Russians. When asked "and how do you know about that "pure Slavic blood," ( since quite a few Russians have different admixtures to them in third-fourth generations down the line, these people are usually responding "we'll have to have a look and decide on case by case basis.")
So basically both parts of a story ( the inclusiveness of Russian culture in its nature) and racism/antisemitism are true. It all depends what kind of Russian, ( with what kind of beliefs) you come across.
I must admit however that relations between Russians and Northern Caucasians is a somewhat different story, since the conflict goes back to the 1800ies. The militant nature (and the brand of Islam that these people are promoting lately ) indeed put them in a different cathegory as far as even tolerant Russians are concerned.
Another thing - videos posted above were filmed in Moscow and St. Petersburg where life ( and problems) in many ways are different from the rest of the country. Russiaonline lives in the boonies, so what might be a real problem in Moscow is not a part of a daily life in Kamchatka.
Don't you know anything about Cold War propaganda? There was a time, when it was common knowledge that people in USSR are enslaved by some commies Many still don't know the truth.
Your theory fails due to lack of knowledge, two things in particular:
1. Russians have never been xenophobic, except for people who harmed them.
2. Russia is a multicultural state, and (among citizens) only Caucasians experience dislike.
This is your fantasy. These are some of the features of muslim Caucasians in Russia:
- "All Russian females are whores, and they should thank a true man like me for raping them".
- They can attack a person (usually some smallish student) walking down the street, just because they had a bad mood.
- Their diasporas behave like mafia.
- They are terrorists - real and very brutal terrorists!
- Infidels must die! Not all of them believe in this, but many do.
Russians dislike towards them is not racist. If you don't understand this - to hell with you
Care to compare with the U.S?
You told that there's a growing trend - that's not true. Some marriages with Russian Koreans have always happened. Let alone dating - there was even a rock-star sex symbol (for women) Victor Tsoi (Russian Korean).
All of this, and I do mean ALL OF THIS is conjecture, belief, and opinions. I have given you COLD HARD FACTS about my points, where are yours?
Moreover, stop pointing out the US' faults. If you'd like, we can start a whole new topic/thread about just that, but until then, let's stick to Russia, yeah ?
I hate how every foreigner comes in here and then says, "but, but look at what the US does? They're MEANIES?" Well, you're right! We can be! But we aren't talking about the US so STOP TALKING ABOUT IT! Classic red herring move.
If you don't have facts to refute my own, instead of opinions/red herrings/telling me to go hell/just simply saying "NO" to everything I say, then I don't think you have much of an argument.
Put up or shut up, to be short with you.
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There are two sides to Russian culture ( and it probably always has been so.)
One side of Russian culture is very inclusive and very welcoming; after all historically Russia has been absorbing a lot of other nationalities in the "mainstream," and Russian territories were including the lands with indigenous population as well. Part of Russians firmly believe that non-Slavic people born and raised in Russian culture should be considered "Russian," while other are talking about the "title nation" - meaning that only those of pure Slavic blood should be regarded as Russians. When asked "and how do you know about that "pure Slavic blood," ( since quite a few Russians have different admixtures to them in third-fourth generations down the line, these people are usually responding "we'll have to have a look and decide on case by case basis.")
So basically both parts of a story ( the inclusiveness of Russian culture in its nature) and racism/antisemitism are true. It all depends what kind of Russian, ( with what kind of beliefs) you come across.
I must admit however that relations between Russians and Northern Caucasians is a somewhat different story, since the conflict goes back to the 1800ies. The militant nature (and the brand of Islam that these people are promoting lately ) indeed put them in a different cathegory as far as even tolerant Russians are concerned.
Another thing - videos posted above were filmed in Moscow and St. Petersburg where life ( and problems) in many ways are different from the rest of the country. Russiaonline lives in the boonies, so what might be a real problem in Moscow is not a part of a daily life in Kamchatka.
Maybe these problems of xenophobia are snapshots of only the larger cities of Russia, but honestly, if you are going to visit a country and sight-see/sex tour/get a date like OP seems to want to do, I'm pretty sure you're not hoofing it to Irkutsk or Sakhalin. You want to go to the Russia everyone thinks about: Moscow, St. Petersburg, et al. And from those cities, as well as smaller ones, is this xenophobia present.
Maybe these problems of xenophobia are snapshots of only the larger cities of Russia, but honestly, if you are going to visit a country and sight-see/sex tour/get a date like OP seems to want to do, I'm pretty sure you're not hoofing it to Irkutsk or Sakhalin. You want to go to the Russia everyone thinks about: Moscow, St. Petersburg, et al. And from those cities, as well as smaller ones, is this xenophobia present.
I don't think that xenophobia is a fitting word here.
Racism describes the situation much better.
while other are talking about the "title nation" - meaning that only those of pure Slavic blood should be regarded as Russians.
This is not racism, but just a common sense, that only "pure" Russians are ethnic Russians. Even most braindead nationalists don't claim that Russia is for ethnic Russians only.
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I must admit however that relations between Russians and Northern Caucasians is a somewhat different story, since the conflict goes back to the 1800ies.
Things got ugly since early 1990's. Wars, terrorism... and quite a few Caucasians in "Russian" Russia behave like some of the worst animals imaginable.
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Russiaonline lives in the boonies, so what might be a real problem in Moscow is not a part of a daily life in Kamchatka.
Vladivostok is not in Kamchatka Nazi problem is generally present in two capitals. Elsewhere these freaks just don't get the critical mass.
All of this, and I do mean ALL OF THIS is conjecture, belief, and opinions. I have given you COLD HARD FACTS about my points, where are yours?
Moreover, stop pointing out the US' faults.
Ask around on Russian forums. The media is very cautious about this matter, because the government silenced them to avoid extermination of Caucasians.
Your facts are just tidbids that you extrapolate on an everyday life of 140mln people. It's like I'd claim, pointing to a kid rape thread and similar articles, that Americans are pedophiles.
It's not an attempt to defend Russian ugliness, but a simple analogy that you should have no trouble understanding.
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If you don't have facts to refute my own, instead of opinions/red herrings/telling me to go hell/just simply saying "NO" to everything I say, then I don't think you have much of an argument.
Aside from the fact that racism does indeed happen in Russia, you didn't provide any facts to back your claims.
And I'm not in the mood to even consider disproving ill claims like this: "If not muslims, these people will attack anything else that is not them."
Stop being so pathetic
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