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Old 06-21-2012, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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There is a lot of misinformation out there concerning the notion of human trafficking. Much of that comes from the fact that the concept itself is one which most of us of find horrific, particularly when children are involved. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who are motivated by religious or political interests, who intentionally inflate statistics and mischaracterize the issue. This is largely being done by anti-prostitution activists who see achieving their objective as the only pertinent matter. Most human trafficking in the world is of a non-sexual nature. It involves people who are forced or manipulated into physical or domestic labor.

Actual instances of human sexual trafficking are uncommon in Europe and Asia, and even rarer in North America. Most of the sexual trafficking that does occur; involves adults who are transported from Eastern Europe; to France, The UK, Germany, and Israel---although, Israel does seem to be addressing the issue quite strongly of late. There is also sex trafficking which occurs in the less-developed nations of Southeast Asia, where most trafficking is of a domestic nature. This is where the trafficking of children is most likely to occur---particularly in Cambodia, and some of the more rural states in India. In The United States, legitimately-defined cases of sex trafficking are most likely to involve Asian victims who are brought in fairly large groups to various US cities.

Prostitution is legal, in some form, in most parts of the world. The overwhelming majority of all sex workers in the world are adults who have made the choice to become sex workers. While most prostitution in The US is technically illegal and highly-stigmatized, it is a path many people have chosen. While there are occasionally instances of underage prostitution, most of them involve late adolescents. Prostitution involving pre-pubescent children is extraordinarily uncommon in The United States.

We should, by all means, attack real cases of human trafficking in this country; and support The UN and other international organizations in their efforts to rescue the victims of all human trafficking and child prostitution. However, we do need to recognize that most sex workers, whatever we may think of the choice they’ve made, are not victims. Those individuals have a right to live their lives without interference from the government, or from over-zealous and dogmatic activists.
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Old 06-21-2012, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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It should be pointed out that much of the emphasis by the US in recent years has not really addressed the "human trafficking" phenomenon at all, but rather at intercepting parents who are moving children out of reach of the other parent.

If you try to travel internationally with a child, they will scrutinize documents primarily to make sure the court orders of some judge are not being violated, regardless of the actual welfare of the child. And, stories like "Not Without My Child" generated a shrill awareness of the US on American children with foreign fathers, and the US doesn't really care how much human trafficking there is, as long as American children don't wind up being raised by paternal families in non-Christian countries.
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Old 06-22-2012, 07:10 AM
 
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In the past two decades a lot of Russian (and ex-Soviet) girls ended up as sex slaves in Europe and the U.S. They are usually lured with ridiculous salaries for positions such as a babysitter.

These countries suck in ratings, while 1st world countries are on top, but in reality (aside from some truly ugly nations) "top" countries produce trafficking, and they are the only ones, who can fight it.

Just think about it - how can Russia/Ukraine/whatever stop it's citizens from being enslaved, if they leave the country as tourists, and are then captured?
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Old 06-22-2012, 05:00 PM
 
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In the past two decades a lot of Russian (and ex-Soviet) girls ended up as sex slaves in Europe and the U.S. They are usually lured with ridiculous salaries for positions such as a babysitter.

These countries suck in ratings, while 1st world countries are on top, but in reality (aside from some truly ugly nations) "top" countries produce trafficking, and they are the only ones, who can fight it.

Just think about it - how can Russia/Ukraine/whatever stop it's citizens from being enslaved, if they leave the country as tourists, and are then captured?
I agree with this. The ratings are condemning where the girls/men are coming from, but not where they are GOING, which is the problem.

Korea and Japan import SE Asian girls by the truckload, as well as Russian girls, why aren't they condemned?

The US is a huge market and imports just about any type of person, most notably Chinese and Russian girls, and Nigerian and Jamaican men.

It's the same thing as when they condemn countries known for sex tourism, but what of the countries with the people who are funding this trade?
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Old 06-22-2012, 05:13 PM
 
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In the past two decades a lot of Russian (and ex-Soviet) girls ended up as sex slaves in Europe and the U.S. They are usually lured with ridiculous salaries for positions such as a babysitter.

These countries suck in ratings, while 1st world countries are on top, but in reality (aside from some truly ugly nations) "top" countries produce trafficking, and they are the only ones, who can fight it.

Just think about it - how can Russia/Ukraine/whatever stop it's citizens from being enslaved, if they leave the country as tourists, and are then captured?
Excuse me, is it the "first worlders" who come and recruit Russian girls with promises of "ridiculous salaries for positions such as a babysitter" at the first place?
I think not, it's Russian men ( ex-Soviet men,) who organize this lucrative business to begin with, and when these girls are "leaving the country as tourists," they are usually already under control of Russian mafia ( make it Russian, Jewish, ex-Soviet, whatever.) And it's the same men who strike the deals abroad regarding the further fate of these girls, and these are the same men ( in Europe at least) who are behind this prostitution business.
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Old 06-22-2012, 09:45 PM
 
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It's the same thing as when they condemn countries known for sex tourism, but what of the countries with the people who are funding this trade?

What's wrong with "sex tourism"? Brothels are legal in Nevada, and Americans go there for that purpose. I don't hear any Americans screaming about Nevada's sex tourism.

Swaziland used to be famous as the place where white South African men could have legal sex with black women. Saudi Arabian men can't legally have sex with anybody except their wives. The legal age of consent in most US states and nearly all countries is 16 or lower. You're blaming sex tourism on fostering sexual freedom and tolerance, instead of blaming the medieval laws of countries that the patrons re escaping from.

An American man can be convicted and sentenced in the US if he comes home after having sex with a 16-year-old in Thailand, but not for having sex with a 16-year old in Michigan. What kind of sense does that make?

It's just like the war on drugs. There would be no sex tourism, if "enlightened" countries didn't criminalize sex and force it underground.
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Old 06-22-2012, 10:30 PM
 
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Excuse me, is it the "first worlders" who come and recruit Russian girls with promises of "ridiculous salaries for positions such as a babysitter" at the first place?
I think not, it's Russian men ( ex-Soviet men,) who organize this lucrative business to begin with, and when these girls are "leaving the country as tourists," they are usually already under control of Russian mafia ( make it Russian, Jewish, ex-Soviet, whatever.)
What you say may be true for Africa. That's how it's done in this part of the world: a girl answers some ad (job, travel, whatever), travels abroad, captured.

The source of the crime is in EU/US (some other countries, including Russia, import slaves too). Ethnicities of criminials are irrelevant.
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Old 06-22-2012, 10:55 PM
 
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What you say may be true for Africa. That's how it's done in this part of the world: a girl answers some ad (job, travel, whatever), travels abroad, captured.

The source of the crime is in EU/US (some other countries, including Russia, import slaves too). Ethnicities of criminials are irrelevant.
Post-Soviet Russia ( where the human trafficking happened en mass initially for the most part) wasn't all that different from Africa.
By the time when this kind of "ads" with offer of wonderful pay started showing up in the newspapers, girls already should have known better.
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Old 06-22-2012, 11:10 PM
 
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Post-Soviet Russia ( where the human trafficking happened en mass initially for the most part) wasn't all that different from Africa.
Maybe in some republics, but Russian girls didn't cross borders illegally in caravans. Only from Turkey (a popular travel destination), where they were captured and transported to EU or ME.

I also know about one case in Mexico in early 1990's, where a group of extremely naive Russian girls was robbed and then met some guys, who offered them a free trip to Los Angeles. They crossed the border with IDs of some American girls, and were brought to a bordello in Hollywood Hills. Hopefully for them, somebody told the slavers to not even think about touching these girls. They returned to Mexico and then home unharmed.

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girls already should have known better.
That's a different matter.
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Old 06-22-2012, 11:36 PM
 
Location: State of Relaxation
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An American man can be convicted and sentenced in the US if he comes home after having sex with a 16-year-old in Thailand, but not for having sex with a 16-year old in Michigan. What kind of sense does that make?
That's Thailand's business. There's too much money coming in for the gov't to want to do anything about it.

Nepal. Lots of child trafficking in Nepal, especially of girls.
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