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I'm not Canadian, so this doesn't directly affect me. However, I have more confidence in Canada overcoming its adversities than I do when it comes to the United States, where there is more resistance to real change.
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Originally Posted by Return2FL
Until 2015, the US middle class was stronger than Canada's.
Also keep in mind that Canada has a larger middle class, and that Canadians don't have to spend anywhere near as much on health and education. The U.S. is better for the wealthy, but the poll question in this thread refers to the "average person".
The average person in the US is still a producer, not a taker. You also have to consider that Canada doesn't have the large ghettos and new immigrants which lower averages. If you're a producer, your quality of life is better in the US. If you're a taker, Canada is for you. Also remember that the average American guy has access to excellent medicine and a wide choice of doctors. Canadians tend to speak as if healthcare in the US sucks when in reality the care is great. The problem is with access.
The average person in the US is still a producer, not a taker. You also have to consider that Canada doesn't have the large ghettos and new immigrants which lower averages. If you're a producer, your quality of life is better in the US. If you're a taker, Canada is for you. Also remember that the average American guy has access to excellent medicine and a wide choice of doctors. Canadians tend to speak as if healthcare in the US sucks when in reality the care is great. The problem is with access.
You keep saying US has all these "producers" and Canadians are mostly feeding off the government
So, I'm guessing you're a big producer?
Have a 200 ft yacht and live in big mansion, etc.
I want to remind everyone...the poll asks "for the average person" , not some tech mogul,
movie star/rock star. (and they live quite well in Canada too).
The Average person.
Canada wins, better social safety net, less murders per capita, etc.
As for climate, much of the northern US climate is not much different than southern Canada
(where most Canadians live).
Except for the southern California coast (a tiny area of USA) ...most of the southern US climates are no
paradise either, trade off for milder winters (with cold snaps) are long hot, sticky, uncomfortable summers
that drag on for months. No fun at all.
More dangerous weather too....tornados, hurricanes, torrential rain, etc.
More critters to deal with , poisonous snakes, fire ants, giant sized roaches that fly, yuck.
And surprise, surprise....if you are wealthy....Canada is a great place to live too.
I know that's a real shocker. Wealthy in Canada own niceh omes, fancy cars, etc....
I know that is a shock but it's true.
Which country has a stronger middle class? That'll give you the answer.
The American middle class is struggling, especially with the increase in cost of living and the high cost of health care and education.
A population many never mention is the aged community. Once they have an ill spouse or need assisted living, the costs are just too much for them and their families to handle, even with pensions and retirement accounts. Medication costs, even with healthcare, are very expensive. These people really suffer.
The American middle class is struggling, especially with the increase in cost of living and the high cost of health care and education.
A population many never mention is the aged community. Once they have an ill spouse or need assisted living, the costs are just too much for them and their families to handle, even with pensions and retirement accounts. Medication costs, even with healthcare, are very expensive. These people really suffer.
Canada is heading in the same direction, unfortunately. Trudeau and the Liberal Party are neoLiberals just like the Tories. The middle class in the old centres of capitalism, the US/Can., Western europe and Japan, are being dismantled slowly. The centre of production and, eventually, consumption is moving to places like Mexico, Vietnam, China, Brazil, Chile etc.
Trump, Clinton, Trudeau won't change that one bit. The decline will continue unabated...
The average person in the US is still a producer, not a taker. You also have to consider that Canada doesn't have the large ghettos and new immigrants which lower averages. If you're a producer, your quality of life is better in the US. If you're a taker, Canada is for you. Also remember that the average American guy has access to excellent medicine and a wide choice of doctors. Canadians tend to speak as if healthcare in the US sucks when in reality the care is great. The problem is with access.
So a country that is a" producer " has large ghettos, and a country that is a " taker " doesn't.
As for immigrants...you're kidding right? Canada's foreign born population is just over 20 percent, whereas in the USA it's 13 percent.
I think the issue you are having is one with community. Where your country talks the talk about all being equal and Americans blah,blah,blah, you don't walk that walk in most cases.
Your healthcare debates is just one example. Where you consider people to be takers because they have a universal system, we consider it the humane thing to do for all Canadians. Besides, it's paid through taxes just like police, roads, etc.
Are you a taker for calling the fire department when needed?
Canadians don't speak about the quality of US healthcare as being bad, we are fully aware of the issues and it is insurance costs, and access.
As for a wide choice of doctors, well we win that one. We are NOT restricted by our insurance as to what doctor we can see. I don't have to check beforehand with my insurance to see if they will cover a certain doctor or specialist. They will.
You know, it's a odd thing. I've never understood people like you. You have this weird idea about Canada and try to paint us as some socialist nightmare, when in reality we do pretty good.
A HUGE country with only 35 million people, have somehow managed to give one of the highest QOL and standards of living in the world, while taking care of it's citizens. Having universal healthcare, paid maternity leave, mandatory vacation days, and many other social benefits and safety nets, yet in your eyes we are takers.
So a country that is a" producer " has large ghettos, and a country that is a " taker " doesn't.
As for immigrants...you're kidding right? Canada's foreign born population is just over 20 percent, whereas in the USA it's 13 percent.
I think the issue you are having is one with community. Where your country talks the talk about all being equal and Americans blah,blah,blah, you don't walk that walk in most cases.
Your healthcare debates is just one example. Where you consider people to be takers because they have a universal system, we consider it the humane thing to do for all Canadians. Besides, it's paid through taxes just like police, roads, etc.
Are you a taker for calling the fire department when needed?
Canadians don't speak about the quality of US healthcare as being bad, we are fully aware of the issues and it is insurance costs, and access.
As for a wide choice of doctors, well we win that one. We are NOT restricted by our insurance as to what doctor we can see. I don't have to check beforehand with my insurance to see if they will cover a certain doctor or specialist. They will.
You know, it's a odd thing. I've never understood people like you. You have this weird idea about Canada and try to paint us as some socialist nightmare, when in reality we do pretty good.
A HUGE country with only 35 million people, have somehow managed to give one of the highest QOL and standards of living in the world, while taking care of it's citizens. Having universal healthcare, paid maternity leave, mandatory vacation days, and many other social benefits and safety nets, yet in your eyes we are takers.
Nobody said anything about Canada being only takers and the US being only producers.
IF you are a producer, you are better off in the US. IF you are a taker, you are better off in Canada. Compare the take home income of most careers that require a college degree in both countries. You will see that producers are better off in the US. OTH, lower income Canadians enjoy a better quality of life than their US counterparts. It's not rocket science.
If I was so inclined, I could chop everything you wrote to pieces, but it is late and there are better ways to spend time.
Nobody said anything about Canada being only takers and the US being only producers.
IF you are a producer, you are better off in the US. IF you are a taker, you are better off in Canada. Compare the take home income of most careers that require a college degree in both countries. You will see that producers are better off in the US. OTH, lower income Canadians enjoy a better quality of life than their US counterparts. It's not rocket science.
If I was so inclined, I could chop everything you wrote to pieces, but it is late and there are better ways to spend time.
I don't see the purpose in the points you are trying to make and it's not worth discussing Canada with someone who seemed to think that we didn't have a fair number of immigrants.
I don't see the purpose in the points you are trying to make and it's not worth discussing Canada with someone who seemed to think that we didn't have a fair number of immigrants.
So I'm done.
Since you asked, Canadian immigrants are vetted for income or must have a sponsor with minimum income requirements. That is not case in the US. That makes an enormous difference in the types of people that come and the burden placed on welfare services/the criminal justice system.
Liberals always have the same MO. They stomp their feet, declare the debate won and run away.
Since you asked, Canadian immigrants are vetted for income or must have a sponsor with minimum income requirements. That is not case in the US. That makes an enormous difference in the types of people that come and the burden placed on welfare services/the criminal justice system.
Liberals always have the same MO. They stomp their feet, declare the debate won and run away.
So liberals are all the same are they. Those damn varmints are pesky aren't they.
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Those damn varmints are pesky aren't they.
