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Old 01-15-2013, 09:45 PM
 
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GreyKarast, I have read news articles, that say, many Chinese entrepreneurs, businessmen, traders, are now moving into the Russian Far East / Siberia and populating it and starting businesses, while the ethnic Russian population there is shrinking (lessening). These Chinese people have more energy and ambition than the Russians, who are often lazy lackadaisical, apathetic, and often alcoholic. In some areas along the Siberian/Chinese border (frontier), the Chinese side is highly cultivated agriculturally, while the Siberian side immediately next to it, is empty, unused land. Chinese food, and culture is steadily appearing more in Siberia . Some Chinese businessmen marry Russian wives.

GreyKarast, are these reports, true ? Can you reply, or comment ? Thank you.
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:38 PM
 
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GreyKarast, I have read news articles, that say, many Chinese entrepreneurs, businessmen, traders, are now moving into the Russian Far East / Siberia and populating it and starting businesses, while the ethnic Russian population there is shrinking (lessening). These Chinese people have more energy and ambition than the Russians, who are often lazy lackadaisical, apathetic, and often alcoholic. In some areas along the Siberian/Chinese border (frontier), the Chinese side is highly cultivated agriculturally, while the Siberian side immediately next to it, is empty, unused land. Chinese food, and culture is steadily appearing more in Siberia . Some Chinese businessmen marry Russian wives.

GreyKarast, are these reports, true ? Can you reply, or comment ? Thank you.
stated. And there was even a plan today for Britain and America in the dismemberment of Russia. According to which in the hands of the British and the French go to the Ural Mountains in Russia. America takes Siberia and the Far East. Take that for Alcoholism statistics and you will see that in Russia people drink a lot, but people suffering from alcoholism is much less than in America. China has repeatedly tried to conquer Russia. They know that their Russian destroyed if they want to fight and try to capture Siberia and the Far East, as more than once already. But today, they know that can achieve capture Siberia only by ousting the Russian population. To do this, the Chinese government sends people to do business and this gives them a lot of money.(There are the Chinese government to these people) But how do you know that today the Russian government understands and develops these territories, the Russian population begins to grow on the land despite the fact that not forget that all the indigenous people living in their ancient land of the free. In Russia, people are just going to want children and you know that in China, birth control. Events (war waged by America) in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, are also connected with Siberia and the Far East. America today is trying to remove from the arena of the Islamic world and the conflict closer to China, in turn, China will lead the conflict in Russia. But America will be with clean hands and ready to seize Siberia and the Far East. For this exercise, and spend winter in Alaska. Not for Korea. There is not in fact the winter. These teachings close to Russian winter.
As for the Chinese clothing and food that is natural. It is cheap. You did not buy goods from their neighbors on the border with its neighbors? Naturally buy. it's always been that way in the world.
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Old 01-15-2013, 10:56 PM
 
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What are you talking about? The two countries even signed a treaty because they were having skirmishes early on. The Qing Dynasty was a Manchurian dynasty and had a pretty strong interest in keeping Manchurian territories.

Here's one of several maps of the territory during the time period:



The Treaty of Nerchinsk had lasted until 1860 when the Russian Empire came in at a fortuitous time while the Qing dynasty was dealing with the Taiping Rebellion and then the Second Opium War, and was compelled to sign one of the only unequal treaty concerns that was never overturned.
Manchuria yes, agree. China - no.(sorry, that is not specified, is not expressed his thought in English)
Around the same time, 2,300 years ago, in the western regions of Primorye appeared krounovskoy media culture (tribes votszyuy).
In the middle of I millennium BC Primorye was settled tribes sumo moeh state was established from the beginning of VIII century. dubbed Bohai. Bohai destroyed Khitan. After 926 is the alliance of tribes heyshuy moeh known from the X century. under the name of the Jurchens. Formed state of Jin (Golden Empire, 1115-1234) defeated Khitan Liao Empire (916-1125) and during the wars with kitaiskoy Song Empire conquered the whole of the North China.
On the territory of Primorye Province Syuypin Jin was centered near the modern city of Ussuriysk.
The real story began in Primorye its development by Russian travelers, explorers and researchers.
Primorsky Territory at different times was part of the states such as Bohai, Jin Empire, Russian Empire, the Far Eastern Republic.
After the Mongol invasion in the early XIII century there chzhurchzhenskie States have fallen, this has led to the depopulation of the territory that had been forgotten until the appearance of Russian pioneers.
In XIX century begins active exploration Russian Far Eastern territories, which led to the emergence of the Maritime region, and then to the creation of the Primorsky Territory, which was formed on October 20, 1938 by the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR.
The name is derived from the people of Manchuria Manchus (southern part of the Tungus) in the early XVII century, in the past who had their state. This is not Chinese. This is a separate ethnic group-Tungus.

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Old 01-15-2013, 11:05 PM
 
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GreyKarast, I have read news articles, that say, many Chinese entrepreneurs, businessmen, traders, are now moving into the Russian Far East / Siberia and populating it and starting businesses, while the ethnic Russian population there is shrinking (lessening). These Chinese people have more energy and ambition than the Russians, who are often lazy lackadaisical, apathetic, and often alcoholic. In some areas along the Siberian/Chinese border (frontier), the Chinese side is highly cultivated agriculturally, while the Siberian side immediately next to it, is empty, unused land. Chinese food, and culture is steadily appearing more in Siberia . Some Chinese businessmen marry Russian wives.
The reason behind Chinese people being more "energetic and ambitious" than Russians in nowadays in many ways all about the role the US played in their approach to China and Russia in post-Soviet times. While the US have chosen to have Communist China for its sweat-shop, they were definitely not interested in future development of Russian economy, other than Russia being an appendix for natural resources.
The direct result of it is that Russia is strangled by mafia and corruption up until today, ( the class that has been created by Western banking system,) what in turn breeds apathy, hopelessness and - yes, alcoholism in Russians, while the Chinese are SEEMINGLY "more energetic and ambitious" while encroaching on Russian territories. ( I am saying "seemingly," because Communist China under American business management has its own skeletons in the closet.)
But quite honestly I don't think the plan of gradual Russian disintegration (not without China' help) that was devised back in the 90ies is going to work after all. I suspect that Russia's ruling class ( that US was hoping would be another subservient power to American interests) has grown very sharp teeth and acquired its own geopolitical interests. With US bursting economic bubble ( and China "owning the the owner of the sweat-shop" now,) it's going to be interesting to watch the next turn of events.
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:47 AM
 
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Kamchatka winter is beautiful, it really warm, and I think you'll feel comfortable. The reason is a lot of snow. When a lot of snow, then heat. We have winter only a half - two weeks and it's cold Epiphany frosts in February the temperature reaches 32 with minus Celsius. In the remaining time - 2-7 degrees sometimes even 0. If we compare Alaska and Kamchatka, Alaska is in all respects more severe than one. In Kamchatka, more snow. I had the English teacher of martial arts(David), he admired the Kamchatka winter and felt safe.But we must take into account that Petropavlovsk is located in the south of Kamchatka In fact, a lot of myths - that Russia is very cold. even so even in Siberia is not always cold.Was a case of life. At the airport in Moscow. It was the summer temperature is 22-24 degrees Celsius. I see a guy in a warm jacket and a hat - earflaps (in fur hat). I was curious and I asked him why are you dressed like that, he replied that he was from America and came to live in Siberia. He must have thought that it is very cold in July. Lol actually it's even too hot at that time and people walk in just one shirt.
I wouldnt call somewhere where the temperature is below freezing for most of the winter 'really warm'!!
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:03 AM
 
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Circassian people are today alive thanks to the Russian people. Learn the history please.This article is full of lies and ignorant propaganda. The so-called John Colarusso, humanities professor at McMaster University just illiterate dropout (a man who knows no history of geography.) Sochi never been native land of Circassians. Sochi is Abkhazia. There has never lived Circassians. Slavs lived in the Caucasus since the 6th century.
Following this remarkable logic, the IOC should not be used at all games in the Americas because of the genocide of the indigenous population - Indians. Should immediately cancel the summer games in 6 years in Brazil. Developing the theme does not stop there, you need to request the cancellation of the results of all the games ever conducted on these continents .......... Oliver Bullough writes "... when they were driven out of their land, and their resistance podtochennaya plague was finally broken "- Maybe the International Circassian Association and its democratic Western inspirers apologize immediately for the plague?
Doblesnaya Russian tsarist army liberated these places from the wild and bloodthirsty hordes - who did not have any signs of statehood or stoic national-territorial formation - is engaged in raids on neighboring territories to the mass killings, leading the people into slavery, looting and violence. Because of this people in these places are living peacefully, and now we will have the Olympics there, after which the city will be a wonderful destination for all - and no more evil savages in their filthy, stupid, hairy shapkah.Rossii need to develop other cities besides Moscow and build them for new urban development standards and technologies, you see, and people will be pulled from Moscow in the cities are.
In general, it is necessary to push all this rot periodically which bought Western agencies razvetki.
Mean cutting whole tribes in Africa (Zulu for example), to destroy the nation, in America, to keep the Indians in slavery and reduce by half the population of China during the Opium Wars - this is not genocide?
And may I ask who first came up with concentration camps and used them to destroy entire nations? Sikhs who tied to the guns? Who took out half of African people in America, turning them into slaves and planted a bomb under the American state? Who drowned captured soldiers, loaded them on barges in the Boer company? Their young people who put in the ground for the sake of a great empire by generations? Bear P. .. Dora white man's burden, or are tired ...... (in the worst sense)?
When foreign Circassians to return to their homeland and will work for the good of her, only then they will have the right to protest. In the meantime, though not whine because the boot of his overseas owner, and better that fighting for the rights of the peoples of North America were exterminated.
Well there was a Circassian nation but it does not exist anymore and been so since 1864. Most of the people that lived there fled or were expelled.

The reason being there was the that region was among the most bitterly faught regions for Russia and the war lasted for decades and even in the 18th century. In addition a majority of people opposed to living under Russian rule.

There are no survivors of the conflict then so the present generation of Russians are not responsible. It is silly to consider moves to boycott the olympics due to events in the distant past.

Russian expansion of Siberia was a more peaceful affair yet of course there were conflicts if the Native people resisted Russian territory expansion in the Colonial era :

[LEFT]The treatment of native peoples was harsh and exploitative: if they resisted the use
of hostages and the punitive burning of villages were common methods of
intimidation, (Brobrick 1992, p69; Wood 1987a, p45). However, this system had one
advantage over the American reservation situation. It
left large remnants of the
native peoples continuously on their traditional lands
, allowing them some
continuing contact with their subsistence economic system, including fisheries and[/LEFT]
reindeer husbandry (Mandel 1985; Sobanski 2001; Schurr 2002).
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:16 PM
 
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GreyKarast, I have read news articles, that say, many Chinese entrepreneurs, businessmen, traders, are now moving into the Russian Far East / Siberia and populating it and starting businesses, while the ethnic Russian population there is shrinking (lessening). These Chinese people have more energy and ambition than the Russians, who are often lazy lackadaisical, apathetic, and often alcoholic. In some areas along the Siberian/Chinese border (frontier), the Chinese side is highly cultivated agriculturally, while the Siberian side immediately next to it, is empty, unused land. Chinese food, and culture is steadily appearing more in Siberia . Some Chinese businessmen marry Russian wives.

GreyKarast, are these reports, true ? Can you reply, or comment ? Thank you.
The Chinese are not only moving in, they're renting huge swaths of Siberian land for agriculture, to feed their own people in China, mainly. Even back in the mid-90's, I was told that much of Buryatia (a Mongol republic in south Siberia) that much the vegetables in the markets were grown by "local" Chinese. The Mongols have never been farmers, so they allow the Chinese in to do the farming for them.
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Old 01-16-2013, 03:46 PM
 
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The reason behind Chinese people being more "energetic and ambitious" than Russians in nowadays in many ways all about the role the US played in their approach to China and Russia in post-Soviet times. While the US have chosen to have Communist China for its sweat-shop, they were definitely not interested in future development of Russian economy, other than Russia being an appendix for natural resources.
The direct result of it is that Russia is strangled by mafia and corruption up until today, ( the class that has been created by Western banking system,) what in turn breeds apathy, hopelessness and - yes, alcoholism in Russians, while the Chinese are SEEMINGLY "more energetic and ambitious" while encroaching on Russian territories. ( I am saying "seemingly," because Communist China under American business management has its own skeletons in the closet.)
But quite honestly I don't think the plan of gradual Russian disintegration (not without China' help) that was devised back in the 90ies is going to work after all. I suspect that Russia's ruling class ( that US was hoping would be another subservient power to American interests) has grown very sharp teeth and acquired its own geopolitical interests. With US bursting economic bubble ( and China "owning the the owner of the sweat-shop" now,) it's going to be interesting to watch the next turn of events.
I find it quite humorous that according to this, Russia seems to blame all of its problems on the US. Talk about not taking any responsibility for their own actions and what their own people and rulers have done over the decades! Sure, let's play that game, how about here in the US we blame any of OUR problems on China! Or Japan! Or Canada! Yeah, that's it.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:21 PM
 
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I find it quite humorous that according to this, Russia seems to blame all of its problems on the US. Talk about not taking any responsibility for their own actions and what their own people and rulers have done over the decades! Sure, let's play that game, how about here in the US we blame any of OUR problems on China! Or Japan! Or Canada! Yeah, that's it.
I've never said "all of its problems" but to deny that the US policies towards Russia in the nineties are not to blame at least partially for today's state of affairs is not to know much, ( let's put it this way.)
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:24 PM
 
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I've never said "all of its problems" but to deny that the US policies towards Russia in the nineties are not to blame at least partially for today's state of affairs is not to know much, ( let's put it this way.)
As I stated in another thread, one of the most surefire, telltale signs of an oppressive government is shifting blame of the nation and society in question's failures onto a foreign nation; creating a "bogeyman" to excuse things like, you know... killing journalists, jailing dissidents who haven't committed any crime other than exercising the "free speech" that their constitution supposedly allows for, etc.
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