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View Poll Results: Which city do you like best?
Melbourne 46 21.80%
Montreal 55 26.07%
Sydney 57 27.01%
Toronto 53 25.12%
Voters: 211. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-21-2017, 06:56 AM
 
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This is a bit of a harsh post but it's also true that most Canadian cities (including Toronto) rested on their laurels for a couple of decades and did not invest much in their public "realms". As a result, things have gotten a bit dog-eared in a lot of places. As someone else said, winter is not necessarily the best time to appreciate the look of Canadian cities, unless perhaps there is a freshly fallen coat of bright, sparkling snow, followed by a sunny day that makes everything look shiny and clean. And this depends on the city as well - some cities look better in snow than others.
"...also true that most Canadian cities (including Toronto) rested on their laurels for a couple of decades and did not invest much in their public "realms".

If you are at all suggesting of the possibility that a change in the willingness to invest in the public realm will materialize in the near future, well, let's just say Kevin O'Leary (a canuck Trump). There remains in Canada a very powerful political movement against raising taxes and spending money on any enhancements to the public realm and other such 'frills'. Oh, lot's of 'studies' will be commissioned , many fancy renderings will be produced but what we'll get is the typical watered down canadian compromise or nothing.
I'm banking on nothing.

The old guard who are responsible for this under-investment still controls electoral politics and most of the wealth and I believe they still cling to their 'private wealth amid public squalor' creed. When the boomers die then maybe we'll get going.
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Old 05-09-2018, 08:16 AM
 
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Wow, I didn’t know this thread existed. I have lived in Sydney, Melbourne and Montreal. I spent some days in Toronto. My ranking would be:

1. Montreal - Sydney ( I love both cities, I prefer the vibe, the nightlife and the people in Montreal, but I prefer the lifestyle, scenery, weather and work opportunities of Sydney. Both cities are great!

3. Melbourne: it is like Toronto but better lol - great CBD and inner-city neighbourhoods, free public transport in the CBD, cool people and laneways, wealthy city (top-notch infrastructure, better than any of the other 3 cities)

4. Toronto: it is a nice city but I didn’t find it interesting, nothing had the “wow” factor, ok I give you the CN tower. It was dead on a Sunday. I think it’s a bit overrated. I hate their Subway (they still use tickets made from cardboard and someone from the staff has to validate it ) pointless lines too. Hate their streetcars too, it is so slow. Queen street is nice though - cool vibe

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Old 05-09-2018, 08:58 AM
 
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Location
Montreal or Toronto, but probably Montreal
Scenery
All are better than decent, I'll be a surprise and go with Melbourne because what it has within 100 miles beats the other cities IMO.
Climate
I don't mind cooler climates but Sydney's is the most classically ideal.
Urban layout
? Montreal I guess
Parks
Give me Toronto here, depending on definition of parks the other cities could* compete though
Public transport/road infrastructure
Not completely certain
Architecture
Montreal for old, Toronto for new?
Streetlife
Again not completely certain, but guessing Montreal or Melbourne
Entertainment/Nightlife
Sydney here. Dynamic feel matched by few places on earth along waterfront over to The Rocks/Darling Harbour/etc.
Dining/Cuisine
All have plenty of options I'm sure. Montreal likely has most unique local options though. Toronto best mix ethnic.
Culture (Museums, Art.etc)
Hmm.. All are pretty good, but I don't know that any would be head and shoulders above others. Possibly Toronto here? Local art is almost certainly Melbourne from what I hear.
People (Friendliness.etc)
I don't really consider people to be that much different from place to place.
Cost of living/Livability
I think Montreal is the most affordable. Melbourne generally wins on livability though I'm not completely certain of what makes it so.
Amenities
Which Amenities? Probably Toronto or perhaps Sydney, broadly speaking, but I'm not sure.
Tourist attractions
Sydney seems to be the most "tourist" centered and most famous attractions, Montreal is the most compact/walkable, Toronto probably has the biggest sheer number/diversity of attractions, and Melbourne is perhaps best for those searching for an authentic "living like a local" vibe, whatever that means.

Overall preference? I voted for Toronto. I really, really like all of these cities, but I don't know that on draws alone, there's one that has "so much more", than any others. If I was recommending one for a visitor, I'd probably say Sydney with the beaches right there, distinctive atmosphere, climate, relative compact feel, and I'd recommend Montreal as it satisfies at least some of the elements and atmosphere of a European city center but is much closer for North Americans. But, Toronto, I don't know how to define it, but even though there was crazy bustle, awesome vibrancy, attractions/architecture while there (not saying it isn't vibrant, as it is), but there's some sense of normalcy/home/etc. that I felt there moreso than in any of the other cities. I suppose it's because I grew up in Cleveland, but despite it at the regional population level now almost being a mega city, there was a comfort and calmness in a number of residential neighborhoods, being able to find quiet spaces in the ravines and islands right within the city, and there wasn't all that much of a pretense among the locals (not that there was in other cities, but still). I have to say it seems, much more than Chicago, like a larger version of Cleveland, if it had kept growing past it's 1920s peak to become an Alpha-type city. It also has a cool blend of a good amount of old and new, which I like.
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Old 05-22-2018, 06:43 AM
 
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Sydney would be the best if I could afford a house in one of the nicer northern suburbs.
Many of the Sydney suburbs are quite ugly.
Melbourne's weather is worse than Sydney's.
It too has alot of ugly suburbs.
Though not as bad as Sydney's.
The city beaches are pretty average compared to Sydney's.
Both have serious issues with housing affordability .
Infrastructure in both is very poor by world standards.
No proper underground systems.
No high speed trains.
Not even a train from Melbourne airport to the city which is hard to believe but true.
Extremely outdated and terribly inadequate road system.
Still for now at least one of the countries that's easiest to find work on earth.
Only been to Toronto which reminded me of a mini Manhattan.
Certainly wouldn't appreciate The cold weather.
Scenically though Canada is one of Earth's most stunning countries.
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Old 06-01-2018, 11:19 AM
 
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I would submit that Sydney arguably has a higher global profile than Toronto does. Perhaps in large part due to the the fact that it is isolated and doesn't have as many large and similar cities in its broad ''neighbourhood'' to overshadow it.

Plus, Australia has a more clearly-defined identity and image internationally compared to Canada, which also helps Sydney.
Hmmhm... I don't know. I agree that Australia and Sydney has a higher global profile than Canada, whose profile is not unified and lacks general distinction from the US.

It comes with disadvantages, though, because it is so far located away, US-Americans and Europeans will be in their own spheres. So, US-American tourists are more likely to go to Toronto than Sydney and therefore talk more about Toronto.
Paris wouldn't be the world's most visited city if it wasn't surrounded by Germany, the UK, Italy and Spain, forcming the core of Western Europe.

I think Sydney's big advantage is, that it only has to share an entire continent with Melbourne, while all other continents have multiple numerous famous cities and one cannot narrow it down.
Sydney + the jungle = Australia?
It's the only city that is so much representative for an entire continent.

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Really? You don't think it might have more to do with the fact that it is extremely beautiful, has gorgeous beaches, world famous landmarks, and a lifestyle envied around the world?
It has nice beaches and wonderful nature, so does Tahiti, Honolulu, a lot of pacific islands and coastal cities have goregeous beaches. It seems like one-eighth of the world has beautiful beaches. It's nothing special that only Sydney has. Perhaps the nature surrounding Sydney is incredibly beautiful, the city itself is not first class beautiful. I would even say that the urban dimension of Sydney kinda ruins the untouched nature feeling and that someone who really appreciates pure nature, will opt for a Hawaii island or an Australian smaller city 100km away or so from Sydney. That being said, Sydney has become iconic. Likely because it has little competition on its continent and it was an easy thing to achieve that iconic status.


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I do not aggree that Vancouver is more remote than Perth.
Vancouver is very remote, yet I must say that Perth likely is the world's most remotest major city, not even Vancouver is that remote. I could not imagine living in a place so far away from the rest of the world.



Wow, this is a very interesting poll.
204 votes have been cast and it's parity for all.

Melbourne 46 22.55% Montreal 51 25.00% Sydney 56 27.45% Toronto 51 25.00%
What do we learn from this? These four cities are equally amazing and equally fascinating and equally loved and none of them outshines the other. So, everybody can be happy with the results.


I personally voted for Montréal because of it's mixed European-American feeling, dense core and historic importance as a new world city. And contrary to popular belief I don't agree that Canada's climate has necessarily to be bad... have you ever looked at the skin of Australians? Have you ever thought about how diastrous Australian sun can be for white Europeans? The ozone layer is not a joke, it's real. I prefer Montréal's ultraviolet-rays free underground city and winters to Australia's permanent skin unfriendly sun, for vacation Sydney would be fine and an extraordinary experience, but permanently? Not for me. There must be snow in winter!!

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Old 06-01-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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Sydney + the jungle = Australia?

In terms of simple imagery, I'd say it's more:


Sydney + the outback (desert) = Australia
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Old 06-01-2018, 12:00 PM
 
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In terms of simple imagery, I'd say it's more:

Sydney + the outback (desert) = Australia


Sydney + outback + jungle + annual participation at the Eurovision Song Contest = Australia, okay?
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Old 06-01-2018, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Hmmhm... I don't know. I agree that Australia and Sydney has a higher global profile than Canada, whose profile is not unified and lacks general distinction from the US.

It comes with disadvantages, though, because it is so far located away, US-Americans and Europeans will be in their own spheres. So, US-American tourists are more likely to go to Toronto than Sydney and therefore talk more about Toronto.
Paris wouldn't be the world's most visited city if it wasn't surrounded by Germany, the UK, Italy and Spain, forcming the core of Western Europe.

I only partly agree.


If you go to the UK for example even though Toronto and Canada are a lot closer Sydney and Melbourne and Australia are definitely more top-of-mind for the average person.


Where I live people are more likely to have been to Syracuse NY than many places in the U.S. but Syracuse is probably not even in the top 100 top-of-mind American cities here.
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Old 06-01-2018, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Sydney + outback + jungle + annual participation at the Eurovision Song Contest = Australia, okay?
+ beaches Men at Work Crocodile Dundee Aussie Rules INXS Priscilla Queen of the Desert Dame Edna ACDC Foster's beer Vegemite boomerangs didjeridoos Waltzing Matilda Mad Max
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Old 06-01-2018, 12:29 PM
 
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Where I live people are more likely to have been to Syracuse NY than many places in the U.S. but Syracuse is probably not even in the top 100 top-of-mind American cities here.
I hope that Plattsburgh and Burlington are representative because I base my entire image of small-town-US-America on these two communities, and they are in my Top 5 together with New York and Boston
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