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Old 01-26-2013, 07:33 PM
 
Location: New London
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Seeing as "city vs city" style threads have become a bit more popular over the last 24 hours or so, I wanted to see if I could set up a quality international "versus" thread.

So anyways, these three cities are located in completely different parts of the world, but seem fairly comparable. I was origionally going to make it a Boston vs Barcelona vs Melbourne thread, as Boston is apparetly "sister cities" with both Melbourne and Barcelona according to wikipedia, so I figured they'd all be fairly close and they seemed to be fairly close in size. However, the Barcelona vs Philly thread has already been done, and on it people were saying theings like "NYC is the only American city that can compete with Barcelona" so I'd decided to stay away from making a comparison with that city. Amsterdam's metro area is apparently half that of Boston and Melbourne, but its downtown population seems to me more than that of Boston, so I'm sure it can hold its own against the two other cities.

Here are the populations:

Amsterdam:

City: 820,654
Metro: 2,289,762

Boston:

City: 625,087
Metro: 4,591,112

Melbourne (wiki only had metro pop ):

Metro: 4,170,000

Amsterdam is the oldest city, followed by Boston, and Melbourne is the newest of the three.

I'm too lazy to come up with a specific list including thins like weather and topography and whatnot for people to use as a basis for judging the cities, but most versus threads seem to have similar criteria so I'd encourage people to use really any criteria to help prove their point.

My overall questions/criteria are very general: Which of these cities is the best to visit? Which is best to live in? Which city has (/has had) the most cultural, historical, economic, political, etc. significance on its own country/continent? on the world? Which city feels the most powerful? Which city is the most vibrant? Which city do you like best?

Thoughts?

Oh, oops. Meant to include a poll.
....oh well
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Old 01-26-2013, 07:41 PM
 
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Which of these cities is the best to visit?
Amsterdam

Which is best to live in?
Boston
Which city has (/has had) the most cultural, historical, economic, political, etc. significance on its own country/continent?
Amsterdam is the largest city in netherlands although boston is probably more influential worldwide
Which city feels the most powerful?
Boston
Which city is the most vibrant?
Amsterdam
Which city do you like best?
Amsterdam
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Amsterdam is the largest city in netherlands although boston is probably more influential worldwide
How can you even think Boston is more influential than Amsterdam worldwide?
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:51 PM
 
Location: New London
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How can you even think Boston is more influential than Amsterdam worldwide?
I don't know much about Amsterdam, but I'd imagine that Harvard and MIT are a difficult pair to compete with...

Not to mention Boston has a lot of tourism, and has a very strong economy, and a significant history.

I'm sure Amsterdam's also very very influential, but what makes you say that it's so much more influential than Boston (or Melbourne) that to say otherwise is rediculous?
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:05 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Wow... interesting comparison. Three well matched cities that definitely belong in the same international "weight class". Melbourne might be my favorite though I love Amsterdam as well. Boston is a fantastic city as well - less interesting than Amsterdam and less vibrant than Melbourne, but a terrific city nevertheless (possibly my second favorite in the US).
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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I'm sure Amsterdam's also very very influential, but what makes you say that it's so much more influential than Boston (or Melbourne) that to say otherwise is rediculous?
The downtown of what now is the capital of the world was called New Amsterdam for 50 years in the 1600's.
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Old 01-27-2013, 06:03 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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The downtown of what now is the capital of the world was called New Amsterdam for 50 years in the 1600's.
Still, doesn't change the facts. I think one could make a good case for Boston being the more influential city worldwide.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:36 AM
 
Location: New London
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The downtown of what now is the capital of the world was called New Amsterdam for 50 years in the 1600's.
Boston was never called "New Amsterdam"...




And I don't see how this makes Amsterdam more influential than Boston.

I don't even see how it's relevant. The Dutch originally settled in the area that would eventually become NYC, but the majority of NYC's development happened after the Dutch were kicked out. The biggest impact "New Amsterdam" had on NYC were the Dutch-influenced neighborhood names.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:05 PM
 
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not sure why melbourne is on the options list , its several times bigger than the other two
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:31 PM
 
Location: New London
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not sure why melbourne is on the options list , its several times bigger than the other two
Really?

I'm using wikipedia for my info, which isn't the best, but usually okay for finding general information.

Melbourne has about 4,170,000 people in 3,400 square miles.

Boston has about 4,591,112 people in 4,511 square miles.

With some simple math, one can find that if you took a 3,400 square mile chunk out of metro Boston, you would theoretically have about 3,408,938 people in it, so about half a million fewer people than in Melbourne.

So Melbourne seems to be larger, but not by a ton. Not to mention Boston is some 200 years older than Melbourne, so its downtown area may be denser than Melbourne's.

I don't know how big Amsterdam is. It appears to have 2,289,762 people in 701 square miles. Therefore its definitely a lot denser than the other two, but if you were to stretch it out to 3,400 square miles, you would have 11,000,000 people, which is way too big to be real. I'm guessing that Amsterdam becomes rather rural or open outside of the 701 miles squared area. So Amsterdam might be a lot smaller or larger than the other two, I don't really know. I meant for it to be more of a wild card, I guess...
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