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Old 02-06-2013, 10:19 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Momotaro View Post
I would like to see where the world would be if the U.S. did not intervene in a lot of conflicts.

I imagine most of Europe would be war torn, and the middle east would be Iraq, Saudia Arabia and Iran, with all the smaller countries gobbled up by one of those 3.
Your speculations may be right but they are still speculations. But the real question is "Don't you see how your statements can provoke anti-American sentiments in others?" We do that a lot and as I have said before many of the anti-American threads are started by Americans and they intentionally or unintentionally provoke others to start throwing stones.

 
Old 02-06-2013, 05:33 PM
 
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That's not necessarily because of the US.
You're posting a link to an opinion piece (twice) doesn't make it more than one person's opinion.

You'll never burst my anti-US bubble. The only thing that will do that is the US cleaning up its act.
People who are pushy and we're no. 1 proponents are the main reason for my opinion.

So, you're going to provide something of note to dispute that we've caused over 1 million deaths since we became a country?
Go ahead, try.

Here's a few links just on the deaths since WWII:
Deaths In Other Nations Since WW II Due To Us Interventions By James A. Lucas
How many deaths have been caused by the USA government
*Ruth Leger Sivard has documented the deaths resulting directly from wars since 1945. Up through 1992, that figure is a little over 23 million people. The USA must be held accountable for a substantial portion, though by no means all, of those deaths. But that is only a small fraction of all the deaths during that period that may reasonably be attributed to USA policies and activities. Citing research by William Eckhardt, Sivard estimated several years ago that 15-20 million people die “needless” deaths every year; that “society has the means, if not the political will, to prevent them.”

I wonder about the people who refuse to look at the US for what it really is, not for what the propaganda states.
Is it fear?
The US needs to go gently into that good night and take care of its citizens, and remove itself from the world.
It's made a mess of the world through its interference.



Hogwash.

Cut me a break. You're comments are laughable.

I'm a US citizen who's probably a lot older than you.
I've lived in the US, Asia and Europe.

Let's see, do you even own a passport?
Probably not.
The opinion piece provides data which shows that ever since the US came into power, wars and violence in general has declined. I know facts are hard to swallow because they go against your anti-American agenda, but at least try. Steven Pinker: Why Violence Is Vanishing - WSJ.com

You have yet to provide a CREDIBLE source for what you claim is 1 million innocent people that the US has killed. And warfare deaths do not count and indirect deaths are not valid.

I do have a passport, and I travel. [Mod cut: personal]

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Old 02-06-2013, 07:19 PM
 
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^^I think a lot of the "American bashing" has more to do with a resentment/jealousy of perceived US cultural and economic power.

Having said that there also seems to be a significant number of Americans who seem to have a problem seeing the world beyond their own national borders which can frustrate the outside world I guess.
In part I think it is because of the bashing we do to ourselves but that isn't a license for everybody on the planet to bash us. When criticism is due then yes but that is a two way street. As Americans we also hold a lot of undue resentment toward other nations for any number of reasons, some valid and some not.

I agree that our level of isolationism is frustrating not only to others but to ourselves as well. While many nations give a larger percentage of aid and charity to other nations from their public sector we give it from the private sector and do not hold our government responsible for the world's misfortunes, we tend to hold ourselves responsible, well OK not everybody feels that way but certainly a lot do.
 
Old 02-06-2013, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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It's not cool.
 
Old 02-07-2013, 02:53 AM
 
Location: Earth
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^^I think a lot of the "American bashing" has more to do with a resentment/jealousy of perceived US cultural and economic power.

Having said that there also seems to be a significant number of Americans who seem to have a problem seeing the world beyond their own national borders which can frustrate the outside world I guess.
Jealousy and resentment, hardly.
The US comes off as a bunch of idiots, look at the politicians saying things like hormonal birth control creates dead babies in a woman's uterus and that they stay there forever; comments on rape; repression of women, etc.

I travel pretty extensively in both Asia and Europe and have bunches of friends on both continents.
They're not jealous of the US; they do resent US intervention into their countries, though.
It never turns out well for the citizens of countries influenced by the US.
 
Old 02-07-2013, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Delaware
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Jealousy.
 
Old 02-07-2013, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Delaware
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Jealousy and resentment, hardly.
The US comes off as a bunch of idiots, look at the politicians saying things like hormonal birth control creates dead babies in a woman's uterus and that they stay there forever; comments on rape; repression of women, etc.

I travel pretty extensively in both Asia and Europe and have bunches of friends on both continents.
They're not jealous of the US; they do resent US intervention into their countries, though.
It never turns out well for the citizens of countries influenced by the US.
I think they're lying to you cause it's definitely jealousy. They want to be like us but their country sucks and the only way to ease the pain is to bash Americans. I can see it in their eyes that they want to be just like me, but never will.


Oh well, I give to charity every year to help their poor crap country cause I feel bad for them. I sleep better at night knowing deep down in my tender heart that I helped some poor innocent soul who had the misfortune of not being born in United States of America. God bless us.
 
Old 02-07-2013, 03:24 PM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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Well I think thats a bit stuck up saying their country is sucks - you'll get hated for saying that.

But to an extent I agree with you, alot of the battles between British and Americans to me is inferiority.
 
Old 02-07-2013, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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I think they're lying to you cause it's definitely jealousy. They want to be like us but their country sucks and the only way to ease the pain is to bash Americans. I can see it in their eyes that they want to be just like me, but never will.


Oh well, I give to charity every year to help their poor crap country cause I feel bad for them. I sleep better at night knowing deep down in my tender heart that I helped some poor innocent soul who had the misfortune of not being born in United States of America. God bless us.

I hope to God you are not implying European countries in that. I highly doubt that any Euro in the UK, France, Germany, Spain, Netherlands, etc would want our atrocious health care outcomes, our horrendous murder rates, our terrible public transport, and poor urban planning. Some things they might be jealous of like the ability to pick up sticks and move to a completely diff climate, geography, landscape without leaving the country, but I can't imagine that dominates most of their lives anyway. I've met quite a few Euro's very happy to remain right where they are. Quite a few others would prefer to move to Australia or Canada because those countries believe in pretty much the same Euro values. America is Capitalism on steroids, and it certainly shows in our awful vacation time, worker rights, large gap between rich and poor, etc. etc. .
 
Old 02-07-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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I hope to God you are not implying European countries in that. I highly doubt that any Euro in the UK, France, Germany, Spain, Netherlands, etc would want our atrocious health care outcomes, our horrendous murder rates, our terrible public transport, and poor urban planning. Some things they might be jealous of like the ability to pick up sticks and move to a completely diff climate, geography, landscape without leaving the country, but I can't imagine that dominates most of their lives anyway. I've met quite a few Euro's very happy to remain right where they are. Quite a few others would prefer to move to Australia or Canada because those countries believe in pretty much the same Euro values. America is Capitalism on steroids, and it certainly shows in our awful vacation time, worker rights, large gap between rich and poor, etc. etc. .
Euro is a currency. i can see how a coin or bill would be affected by American Capitalism but i don't know why would a coin or bill would care about murder rates, public transport, etc...? ill tell ya one thing though, i find Euros more attractive compared to loonies, dollars and pounds.
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