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Old 01-29-2013, 10:08 PM
 
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This is definitely the best point - the patriotic nature of most Americans is not well-received here, patriotism in general is just not what we do. Absolutely cringe-worthy.
Well coming from a person whose fellow countryman said "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." I can fully understand your sentiments.

 
Old 01-29-2013, 10:52 PM
 
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1 . america is top dog , people always like to try and knock the most successfull of their perch

2. americans tend to be minus the self depreciating gene which british and irish people have in spades , americans without an ounce of irony will blow their own trumpet , people who do that are not well liked in this part of the world , in america , if your good at something , you tell the world about it and the people love you for it , americans worship winners where as in europe we slightly despise them

3 . americans tend to be less well informed about the world than other nationalitys , even those who are merely naive about global affairs appear slightly cringeworthy
1. Yes, I agree.

2. Depends on where you're from in the States. In large swaths of the country, it's considered rude to brag. Never stopped a New Yorker or a Texan, however, I'll give you that. But you're still guilty of making a very sweeping generalization about a country of 310 million people.

3. I don't agree. In my travels I've, encountered provincial people from every corner of the globe, people who nurse really strange ideas about places outside their own countries, even when they've traveled. And they don't seem to have a problem letting fly on what they don't like about the States, usually in the form of half-baked theories, undigested half-truths, and some strange, unearned conviction that they are absolutely right. Hell, I'm not exactly sure if I'm right about what I ate for breakfast this morning. What makes them right about a country they might have visited for one week when they flew the kids to Disney World?

What's more, it just isn't all that hard to be cosmopolitan when you live in Europe, mainly because you people live cheek-to-jowl with so many other nations. I mean, if you started in Luxembourg and drove for one day in any random direction, you'd find people speaking in French, Spanish, Italian, Dutch, English, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Czech, Slovakian, Hungarian, Polish, Serbo-Croatian, Catalan, and God knows how many off-brand dialects. Drive from London to Manchester and it's hard to believe they're speaking the same language. Meanwhile, drive 600 miles in the States, and the accents don't even change that much. So let's not make too much of a virtue out of the accident of geography.

Back to provincialism. I'll give you just one example. Let's take soccer (Okay, football to the rest of the world. But, for the record to the really pedantic out there, the British called it Soccer forever and we just followed their example. Then the Brits changed their cotton-picking minds). Really, we're perfectly happy with our brand of football and don't even think about the global variety except during the World Cup, when we watch the television with puzzled expressions until the Americans lose in the second round to Cameroon.

However, every European or South American or African I meet seems to howl in righteous indignation that we don't exactly go ape over soccer. Seriously. Forget the fact that it's just a damned game and that we just prefer our own, thanks. Never mind that we happen to prefer the forward pass, 50-yard field goals, safety blitzes and 42-41 nailbiters to 1-1 ties with that powerhouse team from Trinidad. No, these tedious bores must proselytize about 'the beautiful game' (And why we are philistines for not liking it) until you just want to dump a beer over their heads. Mind you, they aren't interested in the slightest about why we might prefer our brand of football or even baseball. In a remarkably one-sided cultural exchange, they just want to talk about theirs.

I mean, in my travels I met a guy from Australia who rhapsodized about cricket with almost erotic fervor. So I sat on my bar stool and watched Western Australia play some Indian team on the idiot box. They played for several hours in front of a crowd of about twenty-six spectators and then broke for lunch. And yet, without a hint of irony, this guy volunteered how he watched a baseball game once for a couple of innings and found it boring.

Nope, instead they want to tell us what sports we should be interested in as a citizen of the world. So the inevitable happens. In the opening salvo of a dick-wagging contest, some ex-linebacker decries soccer as a sissy game, pointing out the video footage of a grown man lying on the ground clutching his shin in agony while the crowd whistles at him. I mean, is this why so many people die in soccer riots? And why there are soccer riots at all? Is it sheer frustration? I mean, if San Francisco ever wins anything, people might light up a bus. And fans in West Virginia have this weird tradition of burning a couch in the street after a Mountaineer victory. But, overall, we're a pretty tame bunch. Let me repeat: West Virginians burn couches while Egyptians seem to burn each other.

I mean, hey, I was in New Zealand during some big tournament between Australia, New Zealand and South Africa a few years back. It was fun to watch in the bars and I even learned to root for the All Blacks. What's more, I figured a top-notch rugby player could likely do quite respectfully in the NFL. I tried to learn the rules of the game and understand the strategy. But I was kind of glad to return to the states enjoy my brand of football. Because I just like it better, that's why. And don't try to convince me otherwise, you cultural imperialist.

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Old 01-30-2013, 03:25 AM
 
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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This is definitely the best point - the patriotic nature of most Americans is not well-received here, patriotism in general is just not what we do. Absolutely cringe-worthy.
Totally agree with this. Some societys simply dont do patriotism. Here a person being patriot is make fun of, its such a different culture in that respect. The extreme patriotism an arrogance that a lot of americans seem to practice (and its showed in their movies and show all the time,too) its just very hard to understand to some cultures-


For me, someone going around saying "my country is the best country in the world" is just a clown. And a tacky, unclassy person.
 
Old 01-30-2013, 03:29 AM
 
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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2. americans tend to be minus the self depreciating gene which british and irish people have in spades , americans without an ounce of irony will blow their own trumpet , people who do that are not well liked in this part of the world , in america , if your good at something , you tell the world about it and the people love you for it , americans worship winners where as in europe we slightly despise them

3 . americans tend to be less well informed about the world than other nationalitys , even those who are merely naive about global affairs appear slightly cringeworthy
spot on
 
Old 01-30-2013, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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Americans DO NOT BASH them in any way shape or form.
C'mon now man. You can't be serious. I love America/Americans, but......

If I had a penny for evey time I read that Canada should bow down, and be thanking God that it's merciful neighbour to the south doesn't just roll over, and "take us in a day", I would be a millionaire.


I don't know what this is about though, if what you say is true. You tell me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVREQZKK_QY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ_okAgAUGE



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America seems to have an endless amount of comedies and not one of them says anything remotely disrespectful about them at all. In fact they never even mention them in there routines.

JOKES! And, yes, you do.

Hell, I don't even know if it's required to post all the South Park or Family Guy episodes where they make fun of Canadians. It's funny, and stereotypicaly true. You just need a thicker skin, man. Go find a youtube clip about the Canadian military, and see what your countrymen have to say (and that's not really fair....youtube...but when you read it about the military, it hurts). That can go with anything though where there's a comments section. Fortunatly, any American who has trainned AND fought SIDE-BY-SIDE with us, in every way, knows what we're all about. We here in North America, have one massive, interchangable fighting force, whether people of either nation like to admit it or not.


We dish it right back though. It's not Canada having an inferiority complex (although, yes, absolutly some of us do), but the fact is, that we have an identity crisis. We're so busy explaining to Americans that we aren't British, and to the British that we aren't Americans, we've hardly had time to become Canadians! lol




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And its just not comedy--I have taken notice to some people having bits at where they go out on the streets and ask random Americans random questions and edit in the "best" (best as in dumbest) answers.
Ya, that was "talking to Americans" with Rick Mercer. A comedian! Jay Leno does it too. Got a problem with that? Those are pretty funny though lol. Have you ever seen the mislabled map, and asking who should be invaded next? LMAO!!!

If someone did it to Canadians, I would laugh just as hard. I promise you this.






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Why is that ok ? Americans have never done anything remotely like this. My thing is. If everyone in the 'Anglo-Sphere' are supposed to be 'so close' and have SO much in common (You know all of that FAKE bull crap about being friend) why is this meet with laughs. Is it because others would like to believe that their country is just SO much more sophisticated/educated/fit. If you truly believe that everyone around you is just that much more smarter then why broadcast it on your TV. Wouldn't it simply speak for it self ?
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In some extent I understand this attitude from some countries like Iran, Pakistan, Venezuela, or other country whose relations with USA are not the best. But Australia and Canada? According to what I know, both canadians and australians enjoy a good standard of living, and the relationship between USA and these countries are the best possible. It's really a surprise.

Nobody on this Earth is more like America than Canada. I told you this before. We are MORE than your friend. We are your borthers, and we are your cousins. Literally.

We are cut from the same cloth. What's a little ribbing between family?


BUT, if it makes you feel better, regardless of how old this is, it can be said today with as much truth.
This is by a Canadian. Find me something similar by any other country. ANYONE. It could be out there, but I havn't found it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ_okAgAUGE


The only difference that has happened since this was recorded, was that Canada, CANADA, has come to your aid, on more than one occasion, much as you have to our aid. Off the top of my head, Canada has been by your side during the European theater in WW1 & WW2, the Pacific Theater in WW2 (yes, we were), Korea, individual Canadians fought in Vietnam, we are in Afganistan, rescued politicians in Iran in the 80's, most trans-atlantic flights came here, and Canadians housed and fed Americans during 9/11. Countless Canadian fire fighters, paramedics, and police officers, hydro men and normal civilians rushed into New York during that awful time, and we came down during Sandy as well. Even search and rescue from Vancouver were the first into some areas of Katrina ravaged New Orleans. Imagine that? The first flag you see is that of a Canadian pulling you out of your wrecked home?

Brothers are going to have their spats, and things they may or may not love about their sibling. But when the SHTF, united we stand.
 
Old 01-30-2013, 07:39 AM
 
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Texas. Hell, you're a lightweight. Try living in Alabama. If I've heard one joke about marrying my sister or what to wear to a Klan rally on Friday night, I've heard a million.
Couldn't rep you again, but you win.
 
Old 01-30-2013, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL/Houston, TX
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Relax guys, it was a joke to see how many people would actually respond to it. lol
 
Old 01-30-2013, 09:21 AM
 
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We Americans have this strange love affair with Brits and Aussies which precludes bashing them. Part of it is xenophobia since loving something non-anglo is still somewhat seen as "Un-American" to many. They (brits and aussies) are ways Americans can feel like they've connected with a foreign culture without all that messy foreign stuff.

As far as Canadians are concerned, we'll, they're our neighbors and most people around the world see them as "America North", so there's some resentment at play.
 
Old 01-30-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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This is definitely the best point - the patriotic nature of most Americans is not well-received here, patriotism in general is just not what we do. Absolutely cringe-worthy.

its not about patriotism

its about heightened displays of self confidence or success , americans dont hide their success or play down their achievments , they brag alot ( though its not seen as bragging over there ) , bragging is usually treated with disdain in this part of the world , america was never a modest country , its one of the things which makes it great
 
Old 01-30-2013, 03:34 PM
 
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You poor little Americans, would you like a cuddle?
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