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Old 02-01-2013, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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I think that it's more common that you find "envy" from people in the developing world when it comes to American citizenship, and it's more because of social stability and economic opportunity than it is because they think of America as some sort of wonderful, magical kingdom.

My ex is from Pakistan, and her family is spread out between the US, Canada, and the UK. They are utterly obsessed with citizenship in these countries, and obtaining passports, permits, etc. in one or more of the above countries... it's a mechanation of coming from an unstable, unsafe country with low economic prosperity. They're always looking for deals, opportunities, loopholes, etc etc etc to make sure that they never have to go back.
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Old 02-01-2013, 03:15 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I watched an interesting video featuring an American residing in Germany. Her basic premise seemed to be that plenty of people overseas envied her American status. I'm American and I don't really believe the hype. Seriously, why oh why do so many Americans believe that non Americans envy our citizenship?

Inquiring minds really want to know...
Well, you realize this is going to turn into yet another America-bashing thread, right?

BTW, plenty of people would love to live in Bethesda - even people here in the DC area. :-)
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Old 02-01-2013, 05:30 PM
 
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It's the belief in the American Dream. This is of course more prevalent among the developing countries where quality of life and wages are drastically lower. The US does offer a very good cost of living considering what the average American earns. A middle class American can afford a single family home and a car. That dream is almost impossible for people from developing countries, and even in some developed countries like Singapore, owning a car is prohibitively expensive.

Of course not everyone is envious. In some circumstances, American citizenship is even unwanted. Both Eduardo Saverin (facebook co-founder) and Tina Turner recently renounced their American citizenship. Most likely due to how the US taxes its rich citizens, even if they reside overseas.
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Old 02-02-2013, 07:58 PM
 
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In the three decades following WWII is when most people looked to America for a comfortable standard of living, a good job and a chance to do better. But as other nations began to recover from the war the game has changed and the playing field has leveled. Today the US is still a good place to go but there are many other choices today.

A good example is South Korea. For many years up until the mid 1970's most Koreans wanted to come to the US. TOday most young Koreans want to move to Japan and that is because many more Koreans have made it to the top in Japan compared to the US. The Japanese are K-Pop crazy and young Koreans become idols in Japan (of course the physical similarity and the idea of beauty is similar as well), Many see Koreans becoming film stars, like Ara, in Japan and that is not so easy in the West. There is a great deal of movement in all fields between South Korea, China and Japan. There are great actors, singers, film directors, engineers etc in Asia who are needed in many parts of the Far East and there is today the money to pay them as well as or in some cases even better than in the US or other Western nations.

Because of the EU similar things have been happening in Europe over the past three decades and less and less are these people attracted by oportunities as far away as the US, Canada an other American countries. Many of us have not yet caught up with the times (it's difficult to keep abreast of the rapidly changing world) and we are still thinking in the past.
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:07 PM
 
Location: San Antonio/Houston
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Many people live in USA and have only Green Card. By choice. They do not want to be American Citizens...
I also noticed an increasing number of posts from Americans wanting to move out to other countries.
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:10 PM
 
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Because America is one of the greatest countries on earth.
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:14 PM
 
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Well, you realize this is going to turn into yet another America-bashing thread, right?

BTW, plenty of people would love to live in Bethesda - even people here in the DC area. :-)

And if you look at the post above this one you will see that it is us, the Americans, who most often provoke the US bashing posts. Then we blame it on someone else.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:21 AM
 
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What's the point of having an American citizenship? You don't get access to any decent benefits, services, or healthcare, and you have to pay taxes to uncle Sam regardless of where you live. It's just stupid.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:53 AM
 
Location: 60630
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Not a single friend of mine would want to be a US citizen. Once upon a time maybe.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:44 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Because America is one of the greatest countries on earth.

Really? Why on earth would you think that. Here is some food for thought:

In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins

Now imagine trying to create a civilized society with the likes of these people. We are doomed.
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