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Old 02-06-2013, 03:15 AM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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Yeah, I see that too. I can't imagine going bankrupt over medical bills. I'll take high taxes over that shyte anyday of the week.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:24 AM
 
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Fair enough, but the outliers for me are that the US lacks universal healthcare,
?? Who is denied healthcare?
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and the cost of education is completely unreasonable
Again, ??? Public education = paid for.
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It is also just in general way too conservative and intolerant of things
True, though. Places like San Francisco, being so intolerant of hardcore heteronormative behavior & all that...
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And the popular culture and politics
because, of course, those two are inexorably linked...

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I can't imagine going bankrupt over medical bills
Me neather. Thankfully no one in the US is turned away from a hospital - and it's been that way since WWII...
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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?? Who is denied healthcare?
Again, ??? Public education = paid for.
True, though. Places like San Francisco, being so intolerant of hardcore heteronormative behavior & all that...
because, of course, those two are inexorably linked...

Me neather. Thankfully no one in the US is turned away from a hospital - and it's been that way since WWII...

Do you even realize how incredibly inefficient that is? Why would a country opt for a healthcare system where when you get sick you go to the emergency room cause you can't afford health insurance? Gotta love the right wing in this country. All they do is scream about how the free loaders rip off the system, then in the same breath think it great that people can get free emergency medical care in a hospital. God forbid we require to purchase and pay for health insurance instead of relying on everyone else to pay their bill via the emergency room. Pathetic.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:03 AM
 
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Do you even realize how incredibly inefficient that is? Why would a country opt for a healthcare system where when you get sick you go to the emergency room cause you can't afford health insurance? Gotta love the right wing in this country. All they do is scream about how the free loaders rip off the system, then in the same breath think it great that people can get free emergency medical care in a hospital. God forbid we require to purchase and pay for health insurance instead of relying on everyone else to pay their bill via the emergency room. Pathetic.
Gotta add in, free ER care that you and me are paying for through our insurance premiums.

Yeah, gotta love the extreme right. It's alright for old people to have Medicare and Social Security, but it's socialism for everyone else . I can't wait for the establishment GOP to kick the deranged, neo-Confederate Southern Republicans to the curb, just like what's gonna happen to our dear friend Corbett soon

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Old 02-06-2013, 08:06 AM
 
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Do you even realize how incredibly inefficient that is? .
Back up, screamer. I never said it was best, but hey, if calling people names gets you off...
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Gotta add in, free ER care that you and me are paying for through our insurance premiums
Factually incorrect - those costs are born thru taxes.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Gotta add in, free ER care that you and me are paying for through our insurance premiums.

Yeah, gotta love the extreme right. It's alright for old people to have Medicare and Social Security, but it's socialism for everyone else . I can't wait for the establishment GOP to kick the deranged, neo-Confederate Southern Republicans to the curb, just like what's gonna happen to our dear friend Corbett soon
I hear ya. Do people realize that the US South is the least liberty loving region of the nation.

I give you the simple example of making home made beer in your house. In Alabama and Mississippi it is illegal.


Armed Alabama Agents Confiscate Home Brewing Supplies | Beer Street Journal

Everytime home brewers try to get it passed, the religious right in those states claim this:


NORTHERN BREWER PRESENTS: Debate on Legalizing Homebrewing in Alabama (2011) - YouTube

And listen to this nutjob from Alabama that is leading the charge against allowing people to make beer in their own homes:


Leading the charge against the bill is the Alabama Citizens Action Program, or ALCAP. Its leader, Joe Godfrey, has been lobbying against any law that relaxes alcohol laws in the state:

"I've met with some of the homebrewers and they tell me, 'Oh, we're fine upstanding citizens. We go to church, we're active in our community, we don't overindulge, we don't get drunk.' Well, they might not, but I've never met an alcoholic that started out saying, 'I'm going to become an alcoholic.' They start out socially drinking. They start out homebrewing and tasting."


Oh, and it is also illegal to sell vibrators in Alabama.

Alabama Continues Its Vibrator Ban in Praise of Decency

Don't yall just love the freedom loving South.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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I hear ya. Do people realize that the US South is the least liberty loving region of the nation.

I give you the simple example of making home made beer in your house. In Alabama and Mississippi it is illegal.


Armed Alabama Agents Confiscate Home Brewing Supplies | Beer Street Journal

Everytime home brewers try to get it passed, the religious right in those states claim this:


NORTHERN BREWER PRESENTS: Debate on Legalizing Homebrewing in Alabama (2011) - YouTube

And listen to this nutjob from Alabama that is leading the charge against allowing people to make beer in their own homes:


Leading the charge against the bill is the Alabama Citizens Action Program, or ALCAP. Its leader, Joe Godfrey, has been lobbying against any law that relaxes alcohol laws in the state:

"I've met with some of the homebrewers and they tell me, 'Oh, we're fine upstanding citizens. We go to church, we're active in our community, we don't overindulge, we don't get drunk.' Well, they might not, but I've never met an alcoholic that started out saying, 'I'm going to become an alcoholic.' They start out socially drinking. They start out homebrewing and tasting."


Oh, and it is also illegal to sell vibrators in Alabama.

Alabama Continues Its Vibrator Ban in Praise of Decency

Don't yall just love the freedom loving South.
Oh, add another to this list. The freedom loving nutjobs in the South also have some of the most regulated homeschool laws in the country. You think they would have very relaxed laws, like Texas, Alaska, and England, of all places; since that is government intrusion into your home and private affairs only in the South. They also hate welfare in all forms, but have no problem at all eating government cheese so-called. Another one too, I love the Constitution more than anyone else in this country, and that's why I want to secede talk about schizophrenia
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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Jayess,

Like someone else pointed out, I don't see what's so great about it applying to emergencies only. Today I visited my doctor just to ask her questions and retrieve information from my records. She also encourages people to make appointments if they are battling depression, anxiety, abuse, have a cold, a strange cough, scraped their knee up, or any other non life-threatening problems, and that's all part of the universal thing. I think that's exactly how it should be for every single person on earth.

Education universal? Not post-secondary. The tuition to go to a good state uni for a year is the sum of the average cost for a Bachelor's degree here. And guess what? I still think it's exhorbitant in Canada, and I don't agree that it should be covered directly out of our student's pockets.

And me mentioning politics and pop culture in the same sentence doesn't mean I think they are the same thing...
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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Jayess,Like someone else pointed out, I don't see what's so great about it applying to emergencies only
? "hospital" =/= "ER".
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She also encourages people to make appointments if they are battling depression, anxiety, abuse, have a cold, a strange cough, scraped their knee up, or any other non life-threatening problems, and that's all part of the universal thing
Your physician is expert in all of these fields? Seriously?

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Education universal? Not post-secondary.
Are you asserting that all Post Secondary is @ no additional charge? Really? Want to back that up?
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The tuition to go to a good state uni for a year is the sum of the average cost for a Bachelor's degree here.
Again, so? Many US states have discount & savings programs - and even the majority (that means more than half) of private college students do not pay full price.

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And me mentioning politics and pop culture in the same sentence doesn't mean I think they are the same thing...
Never said it did - your linking the two, however, raises the question of why?
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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I don't understand what you mean by the hospital/ER parallel. A hospital isn't just an ER room.

No, but my doctor is a general practitioner and has at least knowledge in all of these areas. If not enough, I can be referred to a specialist if need be...and my bank doesn't take a beating. Imagine that.

What do you mean at this point? I said post-sec generally costs money. So then I agree with you here?

I don't pay full cost either. We have tons of bursaries and scholarships and many people ended up paying nothing at all because of what they are entitled to for having a combination of good marks and other things (cultural scholarships, sports sponsorships, etc.) the point is that there will always be some people out there who have to pay out of their ass because they were unlucky in all of these departments or maybe were not interested in their academic performance at one point, but have since put themselves in post-sec to broaden their options.

I had "linked" them because I was getting to the end of my post and they happened to end up in the same sentence.
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