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View Poll Results: America VS Australia VS Canada
America 51 37.78%
Australia 33 24.44%
Canada 51 37.78%
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Old 09-06-2013, 01:10 AM
 
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Transportation ? Canada

Diversity? Canada has the most diverse city (Toronto), then the US (Nyc), Australia is the last, but still pretty diverse.
Economy?

Schools? Dont really make much difference.

Universities? 1) US , 2) Canada, 3) Australia.

Quality of Life? 1) Canada, 2) US/Australia

Best cities: 1) US has NYC, Chicago, LA, DC, SF, Las Vegas, Miami. 2) Canada has Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Quebec. 3) Australia has Sydney and Melbourne.

Best skylines 1) US (nyc, chicago) 2) Canada (Toronto, Montreal) 3) Australia (Sydney, Melbourne)

Nightlife 1) Canada 2) US 3) Australia

Brightest Future 1) Canada 2)US 3) Australia



Overall? If I had to choose to live

1) Canada
2) US
3) Australia

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Old 09-06-2013, 01:57 AM
 
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Im pretty happy to be in Australia and quite frankly i could never see myself living anywhere else, never heard a gun shot in my life, by world standards an extremely safe country...no such thing as a ghetto neighbourhood down here and whats considered bad here would be considered good in many other countries, education/healthcare is a winner, quality of life in general is pretty awesome, the country isnt overpopulated (not yet), nice clean air etc, sure its not absolutely perfect far from it but i trully believe it to be the closest thing to being the "lucky country" on the planet.

If i had to choose between Canada and the US...i'd be off to Canada.
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Old 09-06-2013, 02:01 AM
 
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Transportation ? Canada

Diversity? Canada has the most diverse city (Toronto), then the US (Nyc), Australia is the last, but still pretty diverse.
Economy?

Schools? Dont really make much difference.

Universities? 1) US , 2) Canada, 3) Australia.

Quality of Life? 1) Canada, 2) US/Australia

Best cities: 1) US has NYC, Chicago, LA, DC, SF, Las Vegas, Miami. 2) Canada has Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Quebec. 3) Australia has Sydney and Melbourne.

Best skylines 1) US (nyc, chicago) 2) Canada (Toronto, Montreal) 3) Australia (Sydney, Melbourne)

Nightlife 1) Canada 2) US 3) Australia

Brightest Future 1) Canada 2)US 3) Australia



Overall? If I had to choose to live

1) Canada
2) US
3) Australia
Some thoughts,

As close on 26% of the Australian population was born overseas (higher than both other countries I believe), why rate it in third place for the diversity?

If Vancouver is significant, why not count Brisbane/Gold Coast, Adelaide and Perth for Aus?

Any what criteria did you use for "Brightest Futures"?
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Some thoughts,

As close on 26% of the Australian population was born overseas (higher than both other countries I believe), why rate it in third place for the diversity?

If Vancouver is significant, why not count Brisbane/Gold Coast, Adelaide and Perth for Aus?

Any what criteria did you use for "Brightest Futures"?
I'd actually agree with your line of questions.. Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal do have a high percentage of foreign born - particularly Toronto where its 50 percent butToronto doesn't constitute all of Canada. All three countries are beacons for immigration.

Brisbane/Gold Coast, Adelaide and Perth are obviously notable cities in Australia.. Calgary, Ottawa and Quebec City are other notable one's in Canada.. Neither Canada or the Australia would be able to compare to the U.S though in terms of cities. The U.S just has far larger a population than both. Where I think Canada edges out Australia isn't in the top 5 in each perspective country (they are pretty comparable), it is number of cities with greater than 500K where Canada has quite a bit more. This is to be expected as Canada has a good 10 million more people than Australia.

All three have bright futures. I think the U.S will remain the largest economic power for some time and even if it relinquishes the title to China it'll still be more important economically than Canada or Australia. I'd say both Canada and Australia have bright futures - both are 1st world middle power countries with low population but immense natural resources.

Even his other points are kind of dubious and hard to quantify.. Its so subjective and really depends on the criteria measured.
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Old 09-06-2013, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Some thoughts,

As close on 26% of the Australian population was born overseas (higher than both other countries I believe), why rate it in third place for the diversity?
Those foreign-born in Australia don't come from as wide a range of countries as they do in Canada.

In Australia a huge chunk of the 26% comes from the UK and Ireland. This is not so much the case in Canada.

Of course this is changing in Australia (as it did in Canada - but the transformation is not so far along in Oz.)
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Old 09-06-2013, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Those foreign-born in Australia don't come from as wide a range of countries as they do in Canada.

In Australia a huge chunk of the 26% comes from the UK and Ireland. This is not so much the case in Canada.

Of course this is changing in Australia (as it did in Canada - but the transformation is not so far along in Oz.)
A sizeable percentage, but there's tons who come from other countries. And also consider those born in Australia of ethnic parentage/ethnicity.
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Old 09-06-2013, 07:22 AM
 
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Those foreign-born in Australia don't come from as wide a range of countries as they do in Canada.

In Australia a huge chunk of the 26% comes from the UK and Ireland. This is not so much the case in Canada.

Of course this is changing in Australia (as it did in Canada - but the transformation is not so far along in Oz.)
Really? So there are a lot of Canadians of Pacific Islander heritage eg Samoans and Fijians? And there are a lot of Canadians of Indonesian, Maori or Timorese origins?
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Old 09-06-2013, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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Really? So there are a lot of Canadians of Pacific Islander heritage eg Samoans and Fijians? And there are a lot of Canadians of Indonesian, Maori or Timorese origins?
Just googled it quickly and found these stats:

Australians POB (2010):
1.UK 1,192,900 - 20% of overseas-born
2.NZ 544,200 - 9%
3.China 379,800 - 6%
4.India 340,600 - 6%
5.Italy 216,300 - 4%
Others Over 100,000 - Vietnam, Philippines, South Africa, Malayasia, Germany
Total overseas-born 5,994,000


Canadians POB (2012):
1.China 585,555 - 8% of overseas-born
2.India 572,435 - 8%
3.UK 559,455 - 8%
4.Philippines 502,295 - 7%
5.US 316,165 - 4%
Others Over 100,000 - (in no particular order) -Jamaica, France, Germany, Netherlands, Poland, Italy, Portugal, Iran, Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, Pakistan, Sri Lanka
Total overseas-born 7,217,295

USA POB (2010):
1.Mexico 11,711,103 - 29% of overseas-born
2.India 1,780,322- 5%
3.Philippines 1,777,588 - 4%
4.China 1,608,095 - 4%
5. Vietnam 1,240,542 - 3%
Total overseas-born 39,955,673

And actually this is a very good page explaining the differences between the three countries, with an excellent chart

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Old 09-06-2013, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Just googled it quickly and found these stats:

Australians POB (2010):
1.UK 1,192,900 - 20% of overseas-born
2.NZ 544,200 - 9%
3.China 379,800 - 6%
4.India 340,600 - 6%
5.Italy 216,300 - 4%
Others Over 100,000 - Vietnam, Philippines, South Africa, Malayasia, Germany
Total overseas-born 5,994,000


Canadians POB (2012):
1.China 585,555 - 8% of overseas-born
2.India 572,435 - 8%
3.UK 559,455 - 8%
4.Philippines 502,295 - 7%
5.US 316,165 - 4%
Others Over 100,000 - (in no particular order) -Jamaica, France, Germany, Netherlands, Poland, Italy, Portugal, Iran, Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, Pakistan, Sri Lanka
Total overseas-born 7,217,295

USA POB (2010):
1.Mexico 11,711,103 - 29% of overseas-born
2.India 1,780,322- 5%
3.Philippines 1,777,588 - 4%
4.China 1,608,095 - 4%
5. Vietnam 1,240,542 - 3%
Total overseas-born 39,955,673

And actually this is a very good page explaining the differences between the three countries, with an excellent chart
Thanks for this!

To anyone who knows both countries (Canada and Australia) it's very obvious that people who could be described as "culturally similar" to the Australian majority population make up a much greater share of the foreign-born population there than in Canada.

Particularly on the Prairies of Canada, there are large areas that were settled in the early 20th century by people of non-British Isles stock, and while most of their descendants are English-speaking today, some cultural traits still persists. You don't really have this on a such a significant level in Australia.

Maybe the Barossa Valley in SA with Germans? Well think of that on a much much wider scale demographically and geographically.

For example the province of Saskatchewan has one million people. It's 97 or 98% English speaking today but the classic British Isles mix (English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish) is maybe only 20% of the population.

And of course I haven't even mentioned French-speaking Canada which is close one quarter of Canada and is basically a nation with a nation or even a country within a country.

It has its own language of course, but also its own folklore, national literature, national cuisine, music industry, TV industry, movie industry, magazine industry, porn industry. You name it.

French Canada even has its own parallel cultural mosaic: Black French-speaking Canadians. Asian French-speaking Canadians. Muslim French-speaking Canadians. Aboroginal French-speaking Canadians. Italian French-speaking Canadians. Irish French-speaking Canadians.

Once again - you name it, it's there.
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Old 09-06-2013, 01:57 PM
 
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Just googled it quickly and found these stats:

Australians POB (2010):
1.UK 1,192,900 - 20% of overseas-born
2.NZ 544,200 - 9%
3.China 379,800 - 6%
4.India 340,600 - 6%
5.Italy 216,300 - 4%
Others Over 100,000 - Vietnam, Philippines, South Africa, Malayasia, Germany
Total overseas-born 5,994,000


Canadians POB (2012):
1.China 585,555 - 8% of overseas-born
2.India 572,435 - 8%
3.UK 559,455 - 8%
4.Philippines 502,295 - 7%
5.US 316,165 - 4%
Others Over 100,000 - (in no particular order) -Jamaica, France, Germany, Netherlands, Poland, Italy, Portugal, Iran, Hong Kong, South Korea, Vietnam, Pakistan, Sri Lanka
Total overseas-born 7,217,295

USA POB (2010):
1.Mexico 11,711,103 - 29% of overseas-born
2.India 1,780,322- 5%
3.Philippines 1,777,588 - 4%
4.China 1,608,095 - 4%
5. Vietnam 1,240,542 - 3%
Total overseas-born 39,955,673

And actually this is a very good page explaining the differences between the three countries, with an excellent chart
That chart was good, but some of the stats for Aus don't align with authoritative data from organisations like the Bureau of Statistics. That organisation puts the foreign born percentage of the Aus population at 26.5% not 22%. Also, numbers from that agency also put the proportion of immigrants from North-Western Europe (in its entirety, including Netherlands, Germany etc) in a different light compared to other regional sources.

1370.0 - Measures of Australia's Progress, 2010

Is the US really that lacking in diversity?
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