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Old 03-19-2013, 07:22 AM
 
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The reality is that there are plenty of "homeless" in many countries, and the tent cities found in the US are no different than the many illegal "caravan camps" found throughout Europe--including Great Britain and Ireland. There are far more beggars in Rome and Barcelona than in NYC and LA, and my experience is that the beggars in most of Europe are far more aggressive than the ones in the US.
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Old 03-19-2013, 08:10 AM
 
Location: England
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The reality is that there are plenty of "homeless" in many countries, and the tent cities found in the US are no different than the many illegal "caravan camps" found throughout Europe--including Great Britain and Ireland.
The people you refer to are mainly Irish gypsies. They are not homeless. They spend all their lives intentionally living in caravans. The 'illegal camps' of recent years have been caused by these people buying land not meant for inhabitation, like plots of farm land.

They then set up home there. Eventually, through the courts, they are removed from this land. These people like the lifestyle of caravan living, and some move around the country setting up home for a few days in odd places like car parks. They are considered a nuisance by many, but homeless they are not.

To compare them with homeless people living in tent cities is wrong.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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How in tarnation can you call a country a superpower with $16 trillion in debt!!!
If the US decided to write off its 16 trillion debt it would have repercussions throughout the civilized world. Should most any other country even have a 16T debt... well, no need to continue.

And the US still has the capability to bomb - with the world's biggest bombs - most anywhere.

Super... Power

Not that I approve and not meant as braggodocio. And by and large... you're safe most anywhere in the U.S. I would recommend you stay away from Detroit, Chicago... well, the typically politicized cities.

Here's an interesting read on America's homeless...

Gypsy Encampments of the Hollywood Freeway
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:10 AM
 
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The people you refer to are mainly Irish gypsies. They are not homeless. They spend all their lives intentionally living in caravans. The 'illegal camps' of recent years have been caused by these people buying land not meant for inhabitation, like plots of farm land.

They then set up home there. Eventually, through the courts, they are removed from this land. These people like the lifestyle of caravan living, and some move around the country setting up home for a few days in odd places like car parks. They are considered a nuisance by many, but homeless they are not.

To compare them with homeless people living in tent cities is wrong.
I disagree. They have no permanent address, which is the definition of homeless.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:24 AM
 
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I disagree. They have no permanent address, which is the definition of homeless.
If you think they are the same as people living in tents or blankets under bridges, then there is no point arguing with you.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:29 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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I disagree. They have no permanent address, which is the definition of homeless.
Are we really going to argue semantics now? Living in a caravan is a hell of a lot different than living in a tent, and these people don't live in a caravan because they're poor or they have to, they choose to live that way because it's part of their culture. Having a permanent address is constraining to them. I don't know how you can possibly compare that to homelessness in the US or anywhere else for that matter.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:31 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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If you think they are the same as people living in tents or blankets under bridges, then there is no point arguing with you.
Like I said: out of touch with reality. These people live in their own bubble.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:46 AM
 
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If you think they are the same as people living in tents or blankets under bridges, then there is no point arguing with you.
The reality is that there are very, very few people living in homeless camps as a percentage of our population. our media just likes to play it up and make it seem like a huge problem, just like they try to do with anything in order to get ratings. The number is probably less than 10,000 total across the country.

Many of the people who sleep in the camps could sleep in shelters, but choose not to. In the shelters they have rules. They are required to look for work and they can't do drugs or drink while they are there. The group that doesn't want rules accounts for about half of the population living in tents or under bridges. Then there are the homeless couples, they would rather live in a tent than be split up in the shelters. What's left is probably about 2500 people, many of whom actually belong in mental health settings, but because of the laws in our country, we can't force them to go there if they aren't a threat to themselves or others. That leaves maybe 1000 individuals.
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:22 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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The reality is that there are very, very few people living in homeless camps as a percentage of our population. our media just likes to play it up and make it seem like a huge problem, just like they try to do with anything in order to get ratings. The number is probably less than 10,000 total across the country.

Many of the people who sleep in the camps could sleep in shelters, but choose not to. In the shelters they have rules. They are required to look for work and they can't do drugs or drink while they are there. The group that doesn't want rules accounts for about half of the population living in tents or under bridges. Then there are the homeless couples, they would rather live in a tent than be split up in the shelters. What's left is probably about 2500 people, many of whom actually belong in mental health settings, but because of the laws in our country, we can't force them to go there if they aren't a threat to themselves or others. That leaves maybe 1000 individuals.
Right, and there is no such thing as shelters turning people away because they're full or shelters being in such bad shape that sleeping in a tent seems preferable
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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I disagree. They have no permanent address, which is the definition of homeless.
Travelers are homeless in a sense but they choose to live like that. Homeless people that are FORCED to live in tents and on the streets are different.
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