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Old 10-22-2013, 01:53 AM
 
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IMO northern Europeans are pink, not "white".
If pale means white, I would say some Asians are the most pale. But they are a minority among Asians.

 
Old 10-22-2013, 11:57 PM
 
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Northern europe (Finland, Scandinavia, Netherlands, Northern Germany, Baltic countries). Basically the same areas where natural blonde people are the most common.
 
Old 10-23-2013, 12:07 AM
 
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Folks in New England, and particularly the Pacific northwest in the US are very pale unless they do tanning beds specifically. I've some distant cousins in both places, and the ones in OR are vampiric in appearance... w/out fangs and a lust for blood, of course, to the best of my knowledge...
 
Old 10-23-2013, 01:10 AM
 
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Old 10-30-2013, 09:46 AM
 
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IMO northern Europeans are pink, not "white".
If pale means white, I would say some Asians are the most pale. But they are a minority among Asians.
Yeah right! Many East Asians are also known for bleaching their skin, since very white skin was very prized in Ancient Japan, Korea and China and many women still avoid getting too much in the sun in order to avoid tanning. Skin bleaching products are still very popular throughout southeast Asia, in India, in all these lands, a light or fair skin is/was highly regarded. 40% of women surveyed in Malaysia, Hong Kong, the Phillipines, South Korea use skin-whitening creams, in Asia skin whitening products is an $18 billion dollar market! Many Europeans have a pinkish-white toned skin because the skin is so pale/light, that blood vessels can be seen through. That's true sign of paleness, and also those who tan with difficulty or don't tan at all, a greater ability to get skin cancer if exposed to sunlight. That's why they are/were called whites. This is why Northern Europeans would have as a group have the highest frequency, the evolutionary lightening of skin that took place in Northern Europe was different from that which took place in East Asia. Chinese, Japan, Koreans who are probably the lightest of Asians still have a much better tanning ability than Northern Europeans as a whole. Northern Europe(British Isles, Iceland, Scandinavia, Netherlands, Belgium, northern Germany, Baltic nations, etc..) The region where the tendency for people to have red and blonde hair, blue, gray, green eyes is highest phenotypically and genetically.

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Old 10-30-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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Looks kinda Finnish. Must be the Mongol traits.

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Old 10-30-2013, 02:40 PM
 
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I do agree however that North Asians and some Native Americans, residing in similar latitude as that of Northern Europeans, are usually paler than people who were indigenous to regions which are located in a more southerly latitudes. They are still as a whole however darker than Europeans. They too had to adapt to harsh cold weather as Europeans however, their diet was very rich in Vitamin D(fish), they actually consumed more fish in their diet than Europeans compensated for the skin. This explains the Inuit people who live in more northerly latitude than almost all Europeans and yet still have a darker skin than Europeans . If we understand why humans who first evolved on the African continent thus were naturally dark-skinned(high melanin level), later as they migrated out of Africa in a more northerly latitudes developed a light skin to an even pale skin in order to absorb faster Vitamin D.

An excerpt from a study highlighted will help those who are still confused like "Crocodril".

In the far north there were nearly negligible risks of reduced Folate due to the lack of sunlight, and the biggest selection pressure was on those who could extract the most energy, from the little sunlight there was, for Vitamin D production; i.e. the paler in the population. This is reflected in modern European ancestry patterns of skin pigmentation. Celtic and Scandinavian population are very pale with low melanin as their environments had low sun exposure most of the time; whereas the lower European populations, such as the Spanish and Italians, where sun exposure is greater, have darker skin with more melanin enabling them to produce Vitamin D but also giving them greater protection against reduced Folate.

The secondary reason could be linked to reproduction( choosing a mate), in Northern Europe in prehistoric times, paler-skinned females who were not as common were preferred over dark-skinned ones. This might have led to an increase to more pale people.
As the excerpt from the same study below quotes:

The increased risks of travelling further in harsh conditions and the increased risk of running out of food also meant the male mortality rate was higher. These factors together increased the number of unmated men and women in the population and hence increased the choice available for preferential mating, which as previously discussed, was for paler women. In the majority of Europe, especially Scandinavia, Britain and North East Europe, the polar caps stretched further south 6000 years ago than today and the conditions for those living here were significantly harsher. This meant that particularly here, the choice in mating was much greater and the population became noticeably paler than in comparable latitudes. This is still evident in the extremely pale population of Celtic and Scandinavian ancestry.

Thus since it is a known fact that Europeans are pale-skinned people, with Celtic and Scandinavian people are the palest people as a whole. The reason given by the study are simple to understand, not too scientific for some.


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Old 10-30-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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Feel bad for people that are so pale
 
Old 11-01-2013, 03:30 AM
 
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I do agree however that North Asians and some Native Americans, residing in similar latitude as that of Northern Europeans, are usually paler than people who were indigenous to regions which are located in a more southerly latitudes. They are still as a whole however darker than Europeans. They too had to adapt to harsh cold weather as Europeans however, their diet was very rich in Vitamin D(fish), they actually consumed more fish in their diet than Europeans compensated for the skin. This explains the Inuit people who live in more northerly latitude than almost all Europeans and yet still have a darker skin than Europeans . If we understand why humans who first evolved on the African continent thus were naturally dark-skinned(high melanin level), later as they migrated out of Africa in a more northerly latitudes developed a light skin to an even pale skin in order to absorb faster Vitamin D.
Much of East Asia has colder winters than Western Europe. The average temperature of Beijing in January is lower than -4 C, but it is about 4 C in London.

However, Asian summers are also much hotter with stronger sunshine. If people there cannot tan, their skin will burn easily.
 
Old 11-01-2013, 03:38 AM
 
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Looks kinda Finnish. Must be the Mongol traits.
A lot of Finnish people have N type Y-chromosome.

Groups descended from Haplogroup NO (M214)
The NO haplogroup appeared ca. 35-40 ka in eastern Asia. Haplogroup N possibly originated in eastern Asia and spread both west into Siberia and north, being the most common group found in some Uralic speaking peoples. Haplogroup O is found at its highest frequency in East Asia and Southeast Asia, with lower frequencies in the South Pacific, Central Asia, and South Asia.
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