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Old 03-10-2013, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Göteborg (Sweden)
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Really, a sad face? For a dictator? Okay, he helped the poor, but he was also a very dangerous man. I take it you think the leader of Iran is an okay guy as well. You realize that was his good buddy.
He was not a dictator. He was elected by the people.

How the hell was he dangerous? Just because his ideology didn't match your own?
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Old 03-10-2013, 09:14 AM
 
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Really, a sad face? For a dictator? Okay, he helped the poor, but he was also a very dangerous man. I take it you think the leader of Iran is an okay guy as well. You realize that was his good buddy.
He didn't start 2 foreign wars in countries far from his own national borders. King George of America and his neo-cons were a greater threat to the world than Chavez. Thank God we have term limits to a degree.

His connections with Cuba and Iran are simple. He stood up to the US and used those two contries forhis own benefit. May people in develping countries secretly admire him for just taking a stand against the US. It is a fact that many people in the world today do not see us as the kind and magnanimous nation (politically) that we see ourselves as the but rather a an object of fear.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Göteborg (Sweden)
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He didn't start 2 foreign wars in countries far from his own national borders. King George of America and his neo-cons were a greater threat to the world than Chavez. Thank God we have term limits to a degree.

His connections with Cuba and Iran are simple. He stood up to the US and used those two contries forhis own benefit. May people in develping countries secretly admire him for just taking a stand against the US. It is a fact that many people in the world today do not see us as the kind and magnanimous nation (politically) that we see ourselves as the but rather a an object of fear.
Chavez never wanted war with the US. He spoke out against the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, along the lines of "you cannot fight terror with terror". He was a man of peace who allowed the wealth generated by Venezuela's oil to help the poor, rather than allow it to continue to fall into the hands of the wealthy elite.

He was a thorn in the side of the US and it's a shame he didn't beat cancer. Sometimes you need an alternative force to prevent imperialism in a very delicate and important region of the world that is still finding its way. One failed coup attempt couldn't stop him.

RIP Hugo Chavez. He was a great leader and was loved by many people. You can't call them any more "brainwashed" than those on the other side of the political spectrum who don't care about the poor and will happily sell off your rights and freedoms to big business.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:18 AM
 
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Noo...he was just a fraud.

First, he was not antiamerican AT ALL, he sold most of his oil to the US...and the US was his main trading partner (CITGO).

He was just a dictator that borrowed a "revolutionary patina" from Castro to control the masses, the main goal was to control the oil (PVDSA) and money for the military and the "boliburguesia" (that lives and invests in Miami).

What will happen now?

Maduro will be elected, but because he's a simple man, a bus driver with no formal education and not smart at all, he won't be able to control the many chavista factions..so Cabello, a man hated by Havana that controls the army, will remove him from office..and he will become independent from Cuba.

But again, Chavistas use the rabble just to control the oil and foreign media.
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Old 03-10-2013, 03:38 PM
 
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Noo...he was just a fraud.

First, he was not antiamerican AT ALL, he sold most of his oil to the US...and the US was his main trading partner (CITGO).

He was just a dictator that borrowed a "revolutionary patina" from Castro to control the masses, the main goal was to control the oil (PVDSA) and money for the military and the "boliburguesia" (that lives and invests in Miami).

What will happen now?

Maduro will be elected, but because he's a simple man, a bus driver with no formal education and not smart at all, he won't be able to control the many chavista factions..so Cabello, a man hated by Havana that controls the army, will remove him from office..and he will become independent from Cuba.

But again, Chavistas use the rabble just to control the oil and foreign media.

a student of the josef goebels school i see

" if you repeat a lie often enough , it becomes the truth "

chavez ( for the 99th time ) was not a dictator , seriously , have some people never oppened a dictionary , you might aswell call the desceased leader a drag queen or a turnip and it would have no less credibility
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Wartrace,TN
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Wouldn't an induced heart attack have been more efficient? Does anyone with half a brain believe this? Why induce an illness that takes years to be fatal when there are proven drugs that can kill in hours or minutes with no evidence?
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:28 PM
 
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Was'nt it Pat Robertson that suggested that a hit squad be displace to take him out? The U.S has done far worst with other leaders that did not corperate with them in the past
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Göteborg (Sweden)
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Was'nt it Pat Robertson that suggested that a hit squad be displace to take him out? The U.S has done far worst with other leaders that did not corperate with them in the past
The US backed the unelected govenment created as a result of a coup in Venezuela, which attempted to ford the (elected) president to resign. The US claims to be such a bastion of democracy, so does anyone else see the irony of what happened in 2002?
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Göteborg (Sweden)
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a student of the josef goebels school i see

" if you repeat a lie often enough , it becomes the truth "

chavez ( for the 99th time ) was not a dictator , seriously , have some people never oppened a dictionary , you might aswell call the desceased leader a drag queen or a turnip and it would have no less credibility
Chavez was not a dictator. If anything, he was an anti-dictator. Whether you agreed with him or not, you cannot call him a dictator.

Frankly, many countries would be lucky to have such a strong leader who came from a genuinely poor background. He was not perfect, but he did more good than harm in standing up to US imperialism and exploitation of the South American continent in general.
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Old 03-10-2013, 10:48 PM
 
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The US backed the unelected govenment created as a result of a coup in Venezuela, which attempted to ford the (elected) president to resign. The US claims to be such a bastion of democracy, so does anyone else see the irony of what happened in 2002?

This is a major reason why I do not like Obama for his attack on Libya, pushed by the French.
Now that they got to divy up his assests in this country and the gold and oil in Libya.
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