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Old 03-06-2013, 03:05 PM
 
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HAHAHA. You lost me with that last sentence quoted above, which is pretty weird even for the internet. My dog is a "supine animal" I guess, since he just like to lay around all day. But I never caught him watching CNN, even the "credulous" parts.
Are you converting your native language into some strange translation software? I'm cool with that - I'm just curious.
He probably prefers Al Jazeera - ask him nicely, and he might give you a brief run-through of what's going on in the world...
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Old 03-06-2013, 03:08 PM
 
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Well I agree with it, so guess what! .......... it's a great post......... to me!
I'm cool with that.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:46 PM
 
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Chavez was a very astute leader. If you don't like him that's your perogative but it doesn't change the facts. Someone mentioned the fact that he kept on using the US a his whipping boy. That's personal and that person misses the point. Chavez was using a tactic made most famous by Mao... getting the people of your country to look outside and see the enemy while the leader marshalls his forces and tries to correct the internal situation while the people are believing that an outside power is responsible for the internal problems. It's been used over and over again since the beginning of time. Bush used with the help of a neo-conservative sympathetic media, by putting the onus on France. You ate it up.... "freedom fries". Brilliant move.

Do you think Chavez gave a tinker's dam what some hick under a rock in Iowa thought or a cowboy on Brokeback Mountain un Idaho? Hell no. He cared only about winning over the Yamomami in Venezuela. Call the US president a devil and win a Venezuela cupid doll to resounding applause in Caracas. If you take it personally you lose. It's like the short-stop needling the batter. It's not personal he just doesn't want the batter to get a hit. He doesn't give a hoot what the batter's name is. It's not about the person cause the next batter is going to get the same treatment and he could be the short stop's kid brother. The name of the game is winning. All's fair in love, war and politics.

The truth is nobody really cares about our pizzant opinions here on this forum and if we want them to then we have to become very active in getting the message out. There's no whining in politics and no crying in baseball.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Scotland
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Bush, and Tony Blair for that matter, have a lot more blood on their hands than Chavez. Not an opinion ....... fact.
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Old 03-06-2013, 04:59 PM
 
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chavez refused to accept american hegemony of latin america as a given which of course made him despised by american power and american corporations who gained access to venezuelas assetts in the past by way of crooked backroom deals with american stooges in caracas who eventually fled to florida with their thirty pieces of silver

in a country like venezuela where inequality was so profound and left the country inherently dysfunctional , it was nesccessery to harness the full power of the state in order to bring about fundamental change , chavez didnt have the luxury of behaving like the PM of sweeden or norway , he needed to be much more earthy , norway is the largest shareholder in the oil company statoil and uses the proceeds to improve the wellbeing of the country as a whole , what chavez did was not so different only he had to be more crude about it due to the chronic level of poverty among the bulk of the population , he had much success in decreasing child mortality etc

its a peculiar thing how a sizeable percentage of the american population seem to believe its their business who soverign countries elect as their leader
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:07 PM
 
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chavez refused to accept american hegemony of latin america as a given which of course made him despised by american power and american corporations who gained access to venezuelas assetts in the past by way of crooked backroom deals with american stooges in caracas who eventually fled to florida with their thirty pieces of silver

in a country like venezuela where inequality was so profound and left the country inherently dysfunctional , it was nesccessery to harness the full power of the state in order to bring about fundamental change , chavez didnt have the luxury of behaving like the PM of sweeden or norway , he needed to be much more earthy , norway is the largest shareholder in the oil company statoil and uses the proceeds to improve the wellbeing of the country as a whole , what chavez did was not so different only he had to be more crude about it due to the chronic level of poverty among the bulk of the population , he had much success in decreasing child mortality etc

its a peculiar thing how a sizeable percentage of the american population seem to believe its their business who soverign countries elect as their leader
Good post Bob. On the last sentence...we believe it because were told to believe it. Rather subtly but told none the less.
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Old 03-06-2013, 05:13 PM
 
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Good post Bob. On the last sentence...we believe it because were told to believe it. Rather subtly but told none the less.
i could understand how forty years ago , many americans would celebrate the death of the soviet premiere but venezuela is a fundamentally harmless third rate country , chavez was a demagogue who engaged in bufoonish rhetoric but he was not a dictator , not even in the dictionary meaning of the word

the leader of china is ten times the dictator on any level and the ruling saudi prince leave chavez in the happeny place in terms of limiting freedoms but you dont hear the american media trash the house of saud
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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Loved to read irish_bob, paull85 and Tom9 posts
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Old 03-06-2013, 07:30 PM
 
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also lover to read their posts and yours as well. Lots of thinking people on this "world forum".
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Old 03-06-2013, 07:31 PM
 
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I lover to read their posts too and yours as well. Lots of thinking people on this "world forum".
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