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Old 03-16-2013, 12:07 AM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Nation states? Oh boy. Things are getting even more confusing.

A nation-state is what most people in the world would describe as a country. The thingies that are members of the UN. And issue passports.
Well, the UN doesn't recognize them as countries.
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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The constituent countries of the UK are similar to American, Canadian and Australian states, but with considerably less autonomy.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Near Tours, France about 4710'N 025'E
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British only.

As such, isn't it difficult to call them "countries"? They are probably more like what is called in other federal countries "regions" or "provinces" ?
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:31 AM
 
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As such, isn't it difficult to call them "countries"? They are probably more like what is called in other federal countries "regions" or "provinces" ?
It depends how you define a country. If it is defined by having clear borders (controlled), self government, not occupied or ruled by another state or country, an economy, a political system etc then they all fail as a "country". Internally people refer to them as such but in terms of recognition by the UN, G8, NATO, EU and any global leader they are not. They also fail nearly all of the prerequisites I mention.
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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The British government refers to them as countries too, but they are constituent (component, element) countries, no idea how many times I must repeat this before people notice it and stop asking this question again and again like a broken record. The situation is not unique to the UK. They are the counterparts of American states, French regions, Canadian provinces. Seriously, am I talking to myself?
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Old 03-16-2013, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Scotland
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The British government refers to them as countries too, but they are constituent (component, element) countries, no idea how many times I must repeat this before people notice it and stop asking this question again and again like a broken record. The situation is not unique to the UK. They are the counterparts of American states, French regions, Canadian provinces. Seriously, am I talking to myself?

Does a region of France have its own national sport teams, parliament, legal system, laws, historically being an separate country???

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Old 03-16-2013, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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The British government refers to them as countries too, but they are constituent (component, element) countries, no idea how many times I must repeat this before people notice it and stop asking this question again and again like a broken record. The situation is not unique to the UK. They are the counterparts of American states, French regions, Canadian provinces. Seriously, am I talking to myself?
Canadian provinces and territories are never referred to as countries, even though Quebec tries to think of itself as one.
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Old 03-16-2013, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Does a region of France have its own national sport teams, parliament, legal system, laws, historically being an separate country???
I'm not sure. They may have regional teams for certain sports, and I'm almost certain they have devolved governments. Even though I suspect your post is merely trying to make a point, I still think it's interesting. Places like Brittany and Normandy have strong identities and are historically separate from France, I don't see why they cannot claim to be countries within France, unless they simply don't care. I'm sure french user can offer some insight.
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Old 03-17-2013, 09:14 AM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Does a region of France have its own national sport teams, parliament, legal system, laws, historically being an separate country???

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A sports team? Are you insinuating that having a sports team makes a country??? I don't think I need to go there.

Any local government has devolved power from Westminster, and local laws do not make a country. The US states have government (far more organized and powerful that Scotland's) and laws, tax systems etc but they are not countries.

You are confused.
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Scotland
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Whatever Ian, I had a vote. And after some, not much, deliberation, I have decided, after this, not to reply to your comments. Your opinion is invalid to me.
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