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Old 03-20-2013, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Finland
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This debate has heaten up a bit in Finland.

When the new parliament was elected in spring 2011, there was a slight consensus that the possibility of gay marriage will be on the agenda. But as it took months to form a government and the minnow Christian Democrat party (of course opposing) was included, something had to go.
Nevertheless, individual MP:s collected names to put the bill forward, and they got 89 supporters of the 200 MP:s. Last month the judiciary committee discussed the proposition, and decided by 9 votes to 8 that the initiative will not be proceeded further at this time, as it wasn't a pressing matter.

So, as we have the possibility for a popular initiative (a quite new thing actually with the new constitution), people decided to use this possibility. To make this happen, you have to collect 50000 names within a timeframe, usually six months, and the parliament has to take it into consideration.

As you can do this over the internet, you don't have to find a person on the street collecting names. The initiative was released yesterday at midnight, and astonishingly by 2pm it had collected the required 50000 names. By the end of the day, it had 100.000 names. Today has a been a bit slower, with 20000 new names, but all together, it's already more than who voted for the Christian Democrats in the municipal elections last year.

I find this encouraging.
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Old 03-20-2013, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Belgium
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Same-sex marriage became legal in Belgium in 2003, two years after The Netherlands. Most people here don't really mind gay people marrying, although there is a bit more animosity when it comes to adoption by same-sex partners.

We do have homophobic violence, unfortunately. And, sad but true, nearly always it involves muslims attacking gay people walking in the street. Especially in Brussels, most gays will no longer walk hand in hand, as it is seen as provocative by lots of muslim men...
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Old 03-20-2013, 03:07 PM
 
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Russians in general are very pro White/straight/Orthodox, meaning if you're black, jewish, gay etc. your life WILL be difficult at some point. One of the biggest insults you can say to a man is calling him "gay."
That seems to hold true in most of Western Europe, the UK and the USA too in my experience - not just confined to school ground immaturity, but even highly specialised professions and the top tiers of academia.

Regardless of claimed statistics regarding 'acceptance of homosexuality' or homosexual marriage, it still seems to be regarded as an insalubrious paraphilia, rather than an 'alternative lifestyle', despite some rather bluntly political agendas to 'perception engineer' such beliefs into extinction.

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Old 03-21-2013, 06:45 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Same-sex marriage became legal in Belgium in 2003, two years after The Netherlands. Most people here don't really mind gay people marrying, although there is a bit more animosity when it comes to adoption by same-sex partners.

We do have homophobic violence, unfortunately. And, sad but true, nearly always it involves muslims attacking gay people walking in the street. Especially in Brussels, most gays will no longer walk hand in hand, as it is seen as provocative by lots of muslim men...
The ironic thing is this behaviour is perfectly acceptable among straight men in the Middle East, so if they were there no one would even know their sexuality.
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Old 04-02-2013, 03:11 AM
 
Location: Vermont, New England
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Really? Isn't Argentina Catholic majority?
Québec, Belgium, and France have Catholilc majorities, and long Catholic histories. They are also some of the most gay friendly places on Earth. Many Catholic countries used to be completely ruled by the Church and have since secularized; people in Quebec are especially liberal and tolerant because people remember when the Church ran everything and the society was still conservative. Modern day Catholics don't want to go back to those old conservative theocracies. You would be surprised how often that rings true in other areas too!

The evangelical Protestant areas (Caribbean, East Africa, the Deep South of the USA) are the places that scare me! At least you don't hear of Catholic priests suggesting that concentration camps be built for gays, unlike a Baptist preacher in NC. (Google Pastor Worley if you don't know what I'm referencing). The Baptists don't have 'supervision' or a hierarchy to answer to, so they can make any homophobic point they want, and who can stop them? Scary stuff.

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Old 04-03-2013, 04:25 AM
 
Location: American Expat
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Default Ah..

France? Belgium? I know a couple of countries that have way more legal protections, benefits etc. for gays than those 2... Credibility of this list seems to be 0.
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Old 04-03-2013, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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America has Mississippi in which its a crime to be gay but then we have nyc where they are extre nice to gay people
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Every post you type is about how argentina or buenos aires is the best when in reality it is a 3rd world country with high unemployment.
DAMN! The guy's just proud of his city, and I don't blame him - Buenos Aires is one of the most beautiful, cultured, cosmopolitan cities in the Americas. No need to be such an a55 about it. Argentina may have its problems, but it's not "third world." I believe Argentina's economy has improved considerably in the last decade, and is on its way to becoming a fully developed nation. Personally, I would love to live in Buenos Aires. It's one of the finest cities in the Western Hemisphere.
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Old 04-06-2013, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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DAMN! The guy's just proud of his city, and I don't blame him - Buenos Aires is one of the most beautiful, cultured, cosmopolitan cities in the Americas. No need to be such an a55 about it. Argentina may have its problems, but it's not "third world." I believe Argentina's economy has improved considerably in the last decade, and is on its way to becoming a fully developed nation. Personally, I would love to live in Buenos Aires. It's one of the finest cities in the Western Hemisphere.
I understand
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Old 04-06-2013, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
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DAMN! The guy's just proud of his city, and I don't blame him - Buenos Aires is one of the most beautiful, cultured, cosmopolitan cities in the Americas. No need to be such an a55 about it. Argentina may have its problems, but it's not "third world." I believe Argentina's economy has improved considerably in the last decade, and is on its way to becoming a fully developed nation. Personally, I would love to live in Buenos Aires. It's one of the finest cities in the Western Hemisphere.
Thank you for your kind words to my city. But im not a guy, im a girl. And what cali says is a TOTAL lie. He seems to hate Argentina for some reason, and seems obsessed with me, harrassing me in every world thread forum. I ve never said Buenos Aires was my favourite city in the world, quite the contrary, i criticize it A LOT, and have a very realistic posture with my city. I have been told by many people in city-data, to not be so hard on my city, even. My favourites cities in the world are in europe. And in USA. So, there, cali is just a troll, obsesssed with me, or both.
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