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Old 03-15-2013, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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IHDI is the better measure as it more closely resembles the actual level of human development of a nation's entire population. Even the HDI can be viewed as "an index of the POTENTIAL human development that could be achieved if there is no inequality"

read the article below and the best quote from it

"The HDI measures average wellbeing in a country, but not the disparities between different regions or groups within a country, which are sometimes vast. The IHDI now takes into account how human development is distributed as well. Countries which are very unequal see their human development scores suffer more than those that are less unequal."

Human development index: Equality matters if we are to reduce poverty | Jonathan Glennie | Global development | guardian.co.uk

This makes sense because the U.S has larger swaths of relative poverty than Canada and when you take universal healthcare and better social programs that exist in Canada into account, you begin to see why.. It isn't a big stretch to understand this is it?
Whatever you say the fact is America is more developed than Canada. Why are you so ANTI-AMERICAN? Are you jealous because your neighbors below you have more interesting lives than you do? I took this from the website you provided.."HDI can be viewed as an index of the potential human development that could be achieved if there is no inequality"

 
Old 03-15-2013, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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LOL I love the weakness of this retort. Why do you think i'm Anti-American? I would like nothing more than for the U.S to have universal healtcare and better opportunities for all of its citizens. I'm basically a typical liberal Canadian with social values who would like to see the Democratic principles overtake the Rupublican principles in your country. Democratic Presidency, Congress and Senate! Basically i'm a true blue Democrat and I thought you were from a Democratic state haha. So the fact that i'm an Obama type democrate (relatively speaking) this makes me Anti-American? Are you from California or rural Montana? Tell me the truth.

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Whatever you say the fact is America is more developed than Canada. Why are you so ANTI-AMERICAN? Are you jealous because your neighbors below you have more interesting lives than you do?
 
Old 03-15-2013, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Chicago(Northside)
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LOL I love the weakness of this retort. Why do you think i'm Anti-American? I would like nothing more than for the U.S to have universal healtcare and better opportunities for all of its citizens. I'm basically a typical liberal Canadian with social values who would like to see the Democratic principles overtake the Rupublican principles in your country. Democratic Presidency, Congress and Senate! Basically i'm a true blue Democrat and I thought you were from a Democratic state haha. So the fact that i'm an Obama type democrate (relatively speaking) this makes me Anti-American? Are you from California or rural Montana? Tell me the truth.
Everytime something good comes on about America you say for example what you said in the last post "before y'all get too excited about this - take a look at IHDI which takes into account inequality. In this case of the U.S drops considerably and is lower than Canad", everytime something good happens to America you always have to say something negative and then say something positive about Canada, admit it you done it 100times i see you on city vs city.
 
Old 03-15-2013, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Wow you seem really upset about this - you always see the glass half empty with my posts instead of 80 percent full - i dunno why.

The truth is both countries have their strengths and weaknesses. I'm open minded enough to understand this very clearly and i've also made that clear in city vs city comparisons. Canada is closer to Socialism than the U.S is (but less so than our European counterparts whom we typically lose out to in these rankings and bloody Australia lol), so when inequality is taken into account it performs better than the U.S. That isn't to say i'm not dissapointed that we have been slipping in both HDI and IHDI so we have some work to do as well. Most of my posts are designed to provide an honest perspective based on my views - they aren't anti-anything. Regardless, i'm not jealous of the U.S and i'm happy where I am but I actually really do like the U.S, have American relatives and visit often. In the case of U.S and Canada i'm hopelessly Bi lol..

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Everytime something good comes on about America you say for example what you said in the last post "before y'all get too excited about this - take a look at IHDI which takes into account inequality. In this case of the U.S drops considerably and is lower than Canad", everytime something good happens to America you always have to say something negative and then say something positive about Canada, admit it you done it 100times i see you on city vs city.

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Old 03-16-2013, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Canada
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What did i say that was false seriously tell me anything and i will prove it to you!
I said everything I took issue with in the post you just quoted, if you can't understand what I wrote down I'm not going to bother repeating myself.
 
Old 03-16-2013, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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True but we have more people employed, more happy people, more people that live longer, not to mention we have a stronger and larger economy, more diversity, we have the music, movies, we have great health not health care, we have the best highway system in the world, we have the best univeristies, better scientist, better researchers, best military in the world...
Good to see USA is number 3 in the world.

However some of what you mentioned is not true.

Canada currently has unemployment rate of 7 %
US current unemployment rate is 7.7%

Canadians live longer.
Life expectancy for Canadian females is 84.2 years....for males is 81.5 years
Life expectancy for US females is 80.7 years ...for males 75.6 years

Healthcare,
I would give edge to Canada as everyone is covered and is not dependent on employement

More diversity,
Both are diverse, Canada more than most people realize, just visit Toronto or Vancouver to see what I mean.

Best highway system,
certainly better than Canada but Germany has pretty good autobahns.

Best universities, scientists, researchers....
Canada has a few pretty good universities too, like McGill.
Scientists....USA attracts the best from around the world, not necessarily their own but...

Best military in the world,
OK, no argument here, not sure what that has to do with HDI
 
Old 03-16-2013, 09:41 AM
 
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The HDI is potential human development, read it again POTENTIAL!!!
No it's not. The few things that go into the calculation of HDI are all actual measures, not potential measures.
 
Old 03-16-2013, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Buenos Aires and La Plata, ARG
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TOP 20 Countries in IDH adjusted to inequality

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1 Norway 0,894

2 Australia 0,864

3 Sweden 0,859

4 Holland 0,857

5 Germany 0,856

6 Irlanda 0,850

7 Swiss 0,849

8 Island 0,848

9 Denmark 0,845

10 Slovenia 0,840

11 Finland 0,839

12 Austria 0,837

13 Canadá 0,832

14 Cechz 0,826

15 Belgium 0,825

16 USA 0,821

17 Luxemburg 0,813

18 France 0,812

19 UK 0,802

20 Spain 0,796

http://www.pnud.org/content/dam/undp...%20Spanish.pdf[/SIZE]
 
Old 03-16-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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Everything i said was true please i could provide tons of links but it will take forever. Whats really ridiculous is when people try and put down American when in reality their just embarrassing themselves.
With all due respect you "translated" a response attempting to offer another point of view to a put-down of Americans. The embarrassment is all yours.

Let's at least attempt to keep some semblance of perspective.
 
Old 03-16-2013, 10:43 AM
 
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Whatever you say the fact is America is more developed than Canada. Why are you so ANTI-AMERICAN? Are you jealous because your neighbors below you have more interesting lives than you do? I took this from the website you provided.."HDI can be viewed as an index of the potential human development that could be achieved if there is no inequality"
You see what you did here?

No one on here is having any difficulty intepreting your posts as anything other than how you've intended them from the outset.

C'mon here; who has the inferiority complex, Canadians responding to you or you for coming on here with posts about how great the U.S. is with comments like that bolded above when you read rebuttals you do not like.
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