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Perhaps this thread shouldn't even exist if historical importance plays the largest factor. Moscow has far more history so therefore will win automatically I'm the eyes of many. But I will say this, where is the ideology that came from Moscow? Crumbled, dead and hardly influences a soul. As far as influence in the Arab world, Moscow is largely irrelevant. Communism is dead on the Arab world and Saudi Arabia and Iran play Massively larger roles than Russia. Which city of these 3 touches the most lives? Which contacts the world more? Which is a force of moderation vs corruption?
There are a few things going on here that don't make sense regarding Moscow only having political/military power and lots of exorbitantly wealthy people. One is that there would be an issue even if that was all that Moscow had as if saying "only" or "just" then makes it sensible to toss it aside. The other is that it gives short shrift to the other industries and contributions of Moscow. There are posts going on and on about the great technology coming out from the Bay Area, but somehow fail to mention any of the significant intellectual capital, talent, research and development that is from Moscow.
As Moscow has institutes like Phystech who are producing the research on which the very backbone of many of these technologies we're talking about, then I'd say it's influential. Moscow and its institutes have contributed and continue to contribute an incredible wealth of cutting edge research in the hard sciences and mathematics though that often has far less immediate financial gains than finding the best design principles to entice more people to click on an ad. Moscow is also where (probably?) the most popularly used space launch vehicle is designed and constructed and which allows a good deal of modern telecommunications, then there is some contribution there. Granted, the kleptocratic government has driven many of great talents away from Muscovite institutions, but for now, there still exists a lot of groundbreaking research done there--and Moscow might still get some credit for having trained these people who make up such a large portion of US graduate math, science, and engineering programs (Moscow and St. Petersburg university students were always major players on collegiate math or science competitions when I was in school--I just checked phystech's site and one of the first news articles was about their team winning the International Mathematics Competition for University students by a huge margin and with 2nd place going to Moscow State University, so apparently things are still going well). Though, of course, maybe shortly from now, the kleptocracy will dismember that system, but that's still at least a little ways into the future. It's unfortunate that Moscow doesn't make English language consumer facing products, but the very basic and often groundbreaking research done there should still count for something.
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Perhaps this thread shouldn't even exist if historical importance plays the largest factor. Moscow has far more history so therefore will win automatically I'm the eyes of many. But I will say this, where is the ideology that came from Moscow?Crumbled, dead and hardly influences a soul. As far as influence in the Arab world, Moscow is largely irrelevant. Communism is dead on the Arab world and Saudi Arabia and Iran play Massively larger roles than Russia. Which city of these 3 touches the most lives? Which contacts the world more? Which is a force of moderation vs corruption?
As far as influence in the Arab world, Moscow is largely irrelevant. Communism is dead on the Arab world and Saudi Arabia and Iran play Massively larger roles than Russia. Which city of these 3 touches the most lives? Which contacts the world more? Which is a force of moderation vs corruption?
Really, you think Moscow is irrelevant in the Middle East? I mean, were you paying attention to the news last month.
And Iran's influence in the region exists in part because they have a close connection to Russia and an arms broker and trading partner(Russians helped aid Iran's nuclear development). They even discussed Iran joining the Russian-led Collective Security Treaty Organization in recent years.
And as a permanent member veto-wielding member of the UN Security Council(along with China), Russia often is the one to counter US/NATO interests in a variety of ways. As well as Russia's influence with much of the rest of the Arab world, if the US turns it's back or cuts back aid to say Egypt, Russia is ready to step in.
Perhaps this thread shouldn't even exist if historical importance plays the largest factor. Moscow has far more history so therefore will win automatically I'm the eyes of many. But I will say this, where is the ideology that came from Moscow? Crumbled, dead and hardly influences a soul. As far as influence in the Arab world, Moscow is largely irrelevant. Communism is dead on the Arab world and Saudi Arabia and Iran play Massively larger roles than Russia. Which city of these 3 touches the most lives? Which contacts the world more? Which is a force of moderation vs corruption?
That outlined part is patently untrue. What's more important, though, is how quickly Russia, from its head at Moscow, was able to project that power. That could be terrifying.
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Let's put it this way. San Francisco has more influence on Moscow than Moscow has on San Francisco.
The techology advancements coming out of San Francisco has more impact on an ordinary citizen of Moscow.
Basically. And it's really not close.
Whether at home, or at work, or at school, or for fun etc, whether beknownst to them or not, the Bay Area plays a inordinately high role in the lives of Moscovites.
Look at China, they are soooo afraid of the free flow of information provided on a global level by Bay Area companies that they have blocked their citizens from accessing the biggest websites in the world.
You did not address the point, but rather danced around it.
Economists and sociologists researching geopolitical science will disagree with the amount of emphasis put on military and political power.
I gave an answer straight to the point, but this is your dancing - right there.
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Which ideas from the Russian totalitarian ideology (that emerged from Moscow) has been implemented today? It did not put any spins.
Russia still has very centralized government where the society is still following the ruling leader, just in case you didn't notice. And since you apparently do not understand what "spin" means in this context, I'll try to explain to you one more time; the difference in geopolitical interests and the way these two countries (USA and Russia) pursue them, is what in many ways determines the world events, and that's what puts a spin on development of world events. Not the E-bay and not the iphones.
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Most of the progressive world shunned the idealogy of Russia.
So? This factor simply doesn't play any role, as long as Russia is staying her own course and is pursuing her own interests.
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I like how Moscow's only argument is the fact that Russia has political ideology that most of the progressive world disagreed with.
That' not "Moscow's only argument," that's YOUR only argument, because apparently you have a very simplistic view of what's "good" and what's "bad" in this world, where America is something"ultimately good," and Russia is something "ultimately bad." This faulty perception leads to faulty conclusions, because in reality America ( as other countries in the world) is not some paradise on Earth, but just another country with her own advantages and her own shortcomings. And just because she is imperfect (in contradiction to what you might believe,) she can't dictate to the rest of the world her will and enrich herself to infinity. And so that this wouldn't happen, there are other powers/countries out there to control America's appetites, to prevent her control over the world. Russia in this case plays the ultimate role.
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The clustering forces of brains that thrived in a bohemian, liberal, progressive atmosphere of San Francisco gave birth to forces that drive the global economy today.
Well may be you should inform those "clustering forces of brains" that global economy today is basically going down the tube, or may be while thriving in bohemian, liberal and progressive atmosphere of San-Francisco those "clustering forces" missed it somehow all together?
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It's organic. It's very difficult to wrap your head around it today but in the future, people will look back in awe at San Francisco.
The BRAIN is in San Francisco today. The corrupted politics is in Moscow, sure.
You can love your organic brains in San-Francisco all you want, but it's the corrupt politicians in Moscow who exercise far more power in the world events than creators of smart phones ever will.
You can love your organic brains in San-Francisco all you want, but it's the corrupt politicians in Moscow who exercise far more power in the world events than creators of smart phones ever will.
No, they do NOT exert more power in the least over more of the world than the tech titans of the Bay Area, absolutely NOT.
A concerted effort by Bay Area tech titans to shut down the free flow of information would cripple the global economy with the flip of a switch. Don't doubt that.
No, they do NOT exert more power in the least over more of the world than the tech titans of the Bay Area, absolutely NOT.
A concerted effort by Bay Area tech titans to shut down the free flow of information would cripple the global economy with the flip of a switch. Don't doubt that.
So how come they are not shutting down the corrupt government of Moscow with a "flip of a switch?"
Or Riyadh for this matter?
( And the last but not least - did you buy "Command & Conquer" in Gaming gen. or in GameStop?
I've heard that Red Alert 3 was highly recommended.)
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