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Old 01-07-2018, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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In the city centre you can rent a studio with less than 1000 USD in Tokyo, in London it's double or more.

1 Bedroom Flats To Rent in Central London - Rightmove
Tokyo Apartments and Tokyo Guesthouses
There is social housing in every London borough including Central London boroughs. Ecen places like Chelsea have social housing schemes such as the Worlds End.

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I know, but it's still far more expensive than Tokyo's public transport. A monthly pass for Tokyo metro (all lines) is 173,000 Yen, which translates to 112 GBP, whereas a monthly pass for London tube (all zones) is 340,70 GBP. It's 3 times as expensive and Tokyo's average net wage is pretty much the same as London's.

Tokyo Metro | Passes
https://www.toptiplondon.com/transpo...ts-travelcards
Your £340.70 includes Fare zones 7–9 which are ancillary zones of the Travelcard and Oyster card fares scheme managed by Transport for London, used for calculating fares from some stations outside Greater London. London is already twice the size of NYC without including zones outside of the Greater London area. So it's only a reasonable comparison for those who actually don't live in London. Most of Central London is covered by Zones 1 & 2.

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Yes, there are affordable eateries everywhere, but the average restaurant prices for a simple meal in London is like 15 GBP, whereas in Tokyo it's like 7-8.
London has a very diverse food and restaurant scene, and you can get a simple meal relatively cheaply. Indeed if you want a very cheap meal just go to one of London's vast array of markets.

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Maybe, but it could also be that their housing situation is better.
The Japanese population is predicted to decline significantly, so the pressure on housing will be far less than in cities which have growing populations.

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That's why I said developed Asia, which includes Japan and the 4 tigers only. These cities are in developing Asia and they are incredibly screwed-up.
Okay.

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I'm not bashing NYC and London. It's just a fact that things like rent, transporation and restaurants are much much cheaper in Tokyo.
I am not bashing Tokyo, it's a great city but it is not as diverse as many other global cities.
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:46 AM
 
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A few London/UK Chain Restaurants

Top 5 chain cafes and restaurants in London - Untold Morsels

The Best Chain Restaurants In The UK - olive magazine

The Casual Dining Group offer some fairly good sit down chains such as Bella Italia (Italian), Café Rouge (French), La Tasca (Spanish), Las Iguanas (Latin American), Belgo (Belgian Beer and Mussels), Huxleys (Traditional British) and Oriel Grande Brasserie (French).

The group operates over 300 restaurants in the UK.

Casual Dining Group - Our brands - Café Rouge

A further French Chain is -

Côte Restaurants - French Brasseries & Bistros

Zizzi ranks highly in terms of Italian casual sitdown chains.

Zizzi: Italian Restaurants in the UK and Ireland

As does Prezzo

Pasta, Pizza, Vino, Prezzo

Whilst Jamie's Italian Restaurant are also worthy of a mention, as is Carluccios and Franco Manca.

Jamie's Italian Restaurants | Local Italian Cuisine | UK

Carluccios

Welcome to Franco Manca !

The Gourmet Burger Kitchen (GBK), Honest Burger and MEATliquor

Welcome to GBK | GBK

Honest Burgers

MEATliquor

The Portugese and Afrian inspired chain Nandos, whilst Chicken Shop provide some good spicy chicken options.

Nando's

Chicken Shop | Home

In terms of Mexican Food, a good quality casual eating alternative to Chipotle is Wahaca.

Wahaca | Mexican Market Eating

Whilst the Barburrito and Tortillo chains offer good alternatives to Taco Bell.

Barburrito: The UK's First Burrito Bar

Tortilla | Voted Best Mexican Restaurant & Take Away in London

In terms of Indian Food the Dishoom Bombay Café chain is very good.

Dishoom | Bombay Café

Lebanese Casual Dining at -

Comptoir Libanais | Lebanese canteen

Vietnamese Casual Dining -

Fresh, Healthy, Authentic Food | Pho Vietnamese Restaurants In terms of Far Eastern inspired Cuisine

Wagamama | Home

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YO! Sushi - fresh Japanese street food and sushi restaurants

Thai Restaurant Chains -

Busaba Eathai | Thai Restaurants in London and St Albans

Giggling Squid | Staggeringly good Thai food

Thaikhun: Thai restaurant, Thai food, street food style

Caribbean Casaul Dining at the Turtle Bay Chain -

Turtle Bay UK - The Best Caribbean Restaurant & Bar in Britain
A healthy fast food option at LEON

Home - LEON, Naturally Fast Food
A more traditional chain doing very well is -

Bill's Restaurant - Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner

Whilst in terms of traditional fish and chips, chains such as Poppies are very good.

Poppie's Fish and Chips | Authentic Fish and Chips Restaurants

A more traditional but eccentric chain can be found at the Cosy Club -

Home • Cosy Club • Cosy Club

Whilst in terms of a good breakfast chain, The Breakfast Club is increasingly popular.

The Breakfast Club


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Old 01-07-2018, 10:16 AM
 
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Old 01-07-2018, 11:39 AM
 
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Hence why I would move back to Tokyo if I could.

Meanwhile, the most dangerous cities in the United States (St. Louis and Baltimore) have comparable rates to cities in third world countries, and are rankable among the most dangerous cities in the world. As President Trump would say, "Sad."
Baltimore is a classic tale of two cities. The good parts of it are beautiful and have a good deal to offer for a mid-sized city. But unfortunately, the crime situation is out of control in the poor parts of the city. Criminals and drug dealers are killing each other.

Baltimore needs to learn from New York City how to get its crime down dramatically.
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Old 01-09-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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There is social housing in every London borough including Central London boroughs. Ecen places like Chelsea have social housing schemes such as the Worlds End.
And how's the wait list?

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Your £340.70 includes Fare zones 7–9 which are ancillary zones of the Travelcard and Oyster card fares scheme managed by Transport for London, used for calculating fares from some stations outside Greater London. London is already twice the size of NYC without including zones outside of the Greater London area. So it's only a reasonable comparison for those who actually don't live in London. Most of Central London is covered by Zones 1 & 2.
The 112 GBP in Tokyo covers stations outside Tokyo city proper as well, and Greater Tokyo is far larger than Greater London. It's not even remotely close.

Why can't you just admit that the London tube is the most overpriced public transport system in the world?




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London has a very diverse food and restaurant scene, and you can get a simple meal relatively cheaply. Indeed if you want a very cheap meal just go to one of London's vast array of markets.
This discussion is not about diversity or some specific cheap places to eat. On average, dining out is far less expensive in Tokyo than in London. That's just a fact.


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The Japanese population is predicted to decline significantly, so the pressure on housing will be far less than in cities which have growing populations.
Japan's population is on decline, but Tokyo's population is growing.


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I am not bashing Tokyo, it's a great city but it is not as diverse as many other global cities.
I thought we were talking about the prices.
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Old 01-09-2018, 10:37 AM
 
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And how's the wait list?

The 112 GBP in Tokyo covers stations outside Tokyo city proper as well, and Greater Tokyo is far larger than Greater London. It's not even remotely close.

Why can't you just admit that the London tube is the most overpriced public transport system in the world?
The Tube is not overpriced, you knock a third of the price by buying an Oyster Card, and there are other concessions available.

Thanks to careful planning London now has a transport system that is fit for purpose, with both Crossrail and Thameslink both due to be completed in 2019 and a tube network that has been totally upgraded, and which has superb new rolling stock witjh more on the way.

Furthermore has already explained London Transport does NOT make a profit, all money is either ploughed back in to the system (67% of the fare you pay) or used to imporive the system through new schemes (33% of the fare you pay).

If only cities such as NYC followed such policies then they might not find themselves in the situation they are now, where they have a crumbling infrastructure, poor service and are going to be forced tro put up fares.

Money Saving London Transport Tips: How To Get The Best Fare

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This discussion is not about diversity or some specific cheap places to eat. On average, dining out is far less expensive in Tokyo than in London. That's just a fact.

I thought we were talking about the prices
There are restaurants that cater for all tastes and budgets in London and we have cusine freom every country in the world and we are not just talking about prices we are talking about choice. Which is just as important in terns of food.

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Japan's population is on decline, but Tokyo's population is growing.
Japan's population is facing such a demographic crisis that Tokyo will not be ummune.

Tokyo population to halve in next 90 years - Telegraph

Japan's population to shrink by a third by 2065 - Telegraph

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Old 01-09-2018, 10:51 AM
 
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The Tube is not overpriced, you knock a third of the price by buying an Oyster Card, and there are other concessions available.

Thanks to careful planning London now has a transport system that is fit for purpose, with both Crossrail and Thameslink both due to be completed in 2019 and a tube network that has been totally upgraded, and which has superb new rolling stock witjh more on the way.

Furthermore has already explained London Transport does NOT make a profit, all money is either ploughed back in to the system (67% of the fare you pay) or used to imporive the system through new schemes (33% of the fare you pay).

If only cities such as NYC followed such policies then they might not find themselves in the situation they are now, where they have a crumbling infrastructure, poor service and are going to be forced tro put up fares.
It is overpriced. Ask any resident in London or tourists. They will tell you it's overpriced.

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There are restaurants that cater for all tastes and budgets in London and we have cusine freom every country in the world and we are not just talking about prices we are talking about choice. Which is just as important in terns of food.
Tokyo has plenty of diversity regarding food. It's not all Japanese. It's the city with the most Michelin stars in the entire world.


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Japan's population is facing such a demographic crisis that Tokyo will not be ummune.

Tokyo population to halve in next 90 years - Telegraph

Japan's population to shrink by a third by 2065 - Telegraph
It is still growing for now. This discussion is not about Tokyo in 50 years. Japan will open up to immigration eventually anyway.
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Old 01-09-2018, 10:56 AM
 
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It is overpriced. Ask any resident in London or tourists. They will tell you it's overpriced.
I am in London.

As for your map you posted of the Greater Tokyo Area it seems to show an area akin to the entire South Eastern Region of England or the entire Midlands region, indeed Tokyo must have some subway to cover that distance especially when you consider the Tokyo Subway only has 11 lines and 285 stations. I think you are confusing national and regional rail with that covered by the subway and are therefore not comparing like for like.

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Tokyo has plenty of diversity regarding food. It's not all Japanese. It's the city with the most Michelin stars in the entire world.
Tokyo is not diverse in the same way London, Paris or NYC are, it hasn't had mass immigration and the food generally reflects the native population.

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It is still growing for now. This discussion is not about Tokyo's future in 50 years. Japan will open up to immigration eventually anyway.
The entire population of Japan is going to reduce by a third and this will include Tokyo.
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Old 01-09-2018, 11:46 AM
 
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The Londonist did a comparison between the London system and Tokyo system.

What it found was that Tokyo unlike most cities is spresd out with numerous centres rather than a central area like London, and that tavelling is extremely complicated.

London Underground Vs Tokyo Metro | Londonist

Whilst London may not be the cheapest system in the world, I would pay the extra 90p to avoid the utter chaos and metdown that has occurred in NYC.

The cities with the most expensive public transport in the world | The Independent



Every New York City Subway Line Is Getting Worse. Here's Why - New York Times

It took 50 years for the MTA to totally screw up the subway | New York Post

No 'Fairy Godmother' for the Subway: When $100 Billion Isn't Enough - New York Times

Why New York's subway delays are getting worse - Business Insider

How did New York's subway get so bad?

New York's railways are in terrible shape - The Economist

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Old 01-29-2018, 03:40 PM
 
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Offer us rational reasons for why you are holding up condescending opinions on this mainland Asian megalopolis. Superiority is simultaneously also right in favor of Tokyo’s side when people observe skyline together with Mount Fuji background:


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Iconic Landmark Eiffel Tower Equivalent Counterpart Outside Of France In Tokyo:

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