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Old 01-24-2014, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Westminster, London
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Oh great, the typical conservative trick of "change the subject" and "baffle 'em with b.s." (and BTW, assuming you actually know a damn thing about 'epistemology', you might wanna look up epistemology and the dialectical method).
Do you understand the article in the link you've provided? It concerns the ontology of Identity in the context of the Hegelian Dialectic. It has nothing to do with the post you're responding to.
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Old 01-24-2014, 09:38 AM
 
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That and money.
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:08 AM
 
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I'm thinking of the Irish "Troubles", Middle Eastern Sunnis vs Shiites, Christian Serbs vs Muslim Bosnians, American "liberals vs social conservatives (aka Fundies), Israeli jews vs the Palestinians, extremist Muslims vs Christians, etc..

If so, is it on the rise worldwide (as some suggest), and why now in such a "secular" and "hi-tech" time?

Religious conflicts on the rise worldwide
Yep, history has been about a fight and struggle for religious supremacy and dominance.

It's just crazy. Bible and Torah and holy books seem to hold so much strength, power, and precedence over ppl worldwide.
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:10 AM
 
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Although it more so has to do with ppl using religion in the wrong ways to promulgate these wrongdoings and conflicts.

In addition money, finances, and class, and socioeconomics is another source of factionalism and conflict in the globe as well and resources.
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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I'm thinking of the Irish "Troubles", Middle Eastern Sunnis vs Shiites, Christian Serbs vs Muslim Bosnians, American "liberals vs social conservatives (aka Fundies), Israeli jews vs the Palestinians, extremist Muslims vs Christians, etc..

If so, is it on the rise worldwide (as some suggest), and why now in such a "secular" and "hi-tech" time?

Religious conflicts on the rise worldwide
There are Palestinean Jews btw too also you know. IJS. There are also Arab Jews as well.
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:30 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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^ ^ Of course there are always exceptions, but unless you have some evidence to the contrary, I'm pretty sure the Israel/Palestine conflict ain't really between Israeli & Palestinian "Jews". Although frankly it's a curious and contradictory comment from someone who already seems to agree with the premise of the OP anyway?

Immigration to Israel
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:50 AM
 
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^ ^ Of course there are always exceptions, but unless you have some evidence to the contrary, I'm pretty sure the Israel/Palestine conflict ain't really between Israeli & Palestinian "Jews". Although frankly it's a curious and contradictory comment from someone who already seems to agree with the premise of the OP anyway?

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I agree with most of your premise, however my point was to show that the Israel and Palestinean conflict has other nuances and obfuscation to it that is often overlooked.

Anyways, I think that Palestineans (Muslim, Christian, and Jewish) have a right to the lands and the reason for the conflict is that they are refugees in their own homeland, and Zionism, and European Jews came and just took and stole it with backing and help from the United Nations and the USA and two faced British. They also forced Arab Jews to migrate to Israel when many didn't want to go. And now ppl justify the European Jewish theft of these lands by claiming ancestral ties to living in the ancient land, yet Palestineans and various other groups of ppl by virtue of ancestry and genetics tie them to that land as well.

Christians and Jews originated in the region, and Islam spawned out of Judaism. Judaism was first, then Christianity, then Islam.

Religion is injected into the conflict but it's more so Palestinean vs Israel and vice versa. There are many Palestinean Christians as well.

Israel is an apartheid state though because ID is needed given the tense relationship between the Palestine and Israel etc and restrictions are imposed etc.

What also complicates the matter is that Jews/Jewish are said to be an ethnoreligious group.
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:52 PM
 
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Reflections By An Arab Jew - Ella Shohat
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Old 01-24-2014, 08:09 PM
 
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^ In fact there were a lot more Christians in that region 100 years ago. Muslims have really expirated a lot of them.
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Old 01-24-2014, 09:25 PM
 
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Muslims have oppressed Christians in Egypt and in other countries and it still goes on today, even with the innocent loss of Christian lives and blood
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