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Old 01-23-2014, 08:16 PM
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With regards to transport:

Here's a map showing car modal share in Leeds. Most people still commute by car in the outer 'burbs, but the percentage is not very high.
CD has maps for American cities. Here's New York City:

http://www.city-data.com/#mapOSM?map...[fs]=false

which seems to have peaks, one around 20% for the city and 70% for the suburbs.
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Old 01-23-2014, 10:07 PM
 
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Some of the Suburbs of Mexico City

This is Interlomas

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...exico_City.jpg

Santa Fe (even though it turned more into a city than a suburb over the years)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Dic_06_209.jpg

Typical Mexican Suburb..nice colors, but not so much variety...too much cookie cutter houses for me.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4XCmRJT1_X...CasitasGeo.jpg

http://www.sinembargo.mx/wp-content/...12/06/ac03.jpg

San Pedro Garza Garcia suburb of Monterrey.

http://www.rentasyventas.com.mx/foto...1202171294.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/402/2653454mt8.jpg

Zapopan, a nice suburb of Guadalajara. It seems out of place though. I didn't think there'd be places that look like this in central Mexico. It looks more like Miami, or maybe somewhere in the Baja California peninsula.

http://safe-img03.olx.com.mx/ui/13/7...-2d88784e.jpeg
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Old 01-23-2014, 10:26 PM
 
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Were suburbs in other countries as idealized as they were in America? During the 50s and 60s (when most suburban areas in the US saw their fastest and greatest growth) they were made out to be the perfect places to live. City life, for a good while and even today albeit to a lesser extent, was seen as negative and undesirable because of overcrowding and crime. It was essentially the American Dream for a man to own his own home and raise a family in the suburbs.


Lakewood: "The Future City as New as Tomorrow" (Modern Architecture in Los Angeles) - YouTube


1950s Homelife Suburban Sprawl and the Baby Boom - YouTube
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:39 AM
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Were suburbs in other countries as idealized as they were in America? During the 50s and 60s (when most suburban areas in the US saw their fastest and greatest growth) they were made out to be the perfect places to live. City life, for a good while and even today albeit to a lesser extent, was seen as negative and undesirable because of overcrowding and crime. It was essentially the American Dream for a man to own his own home and raise a family in the suburbs.
Advertisments for suburbia in London emphasized their non-urban aspects, even when they weren't that different. Early 20th century London suburban development was dense for British suburbia today, but they still got idealized.

Metro-Land and London's Suburbs | History.co.uk

Here's a poster by the Metropolitan Railway for Edgware:

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Old 01-24-2014, 12:51 AM
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Are the outer suburbs of Paris actually pretty high density with all the high rise?
Mostly, no. The high rises tend to be close in to the city, and the Paris city limits are small. The densest suburbs appear to be the rich ones just west of the city, rather than the poor northeastern ones with lots of "commie-block" high-rise housing. Unfortunately, this map doesn't cover Paris to its outer suburban edge, but gives a general picture. [I haven't actually spent much of any time in Paris, this is just my impression from maps and webpages, so a local might need to correct me]



via Stations Picked, Huge Automated Transit Project for Paris is Closer to Realization The Transport Politic

which got it from the French census agency

Edit: I'm thinking of some Scandinavian cities might also have a high suburb-city density contrast, as the old city looks fairly dense (though not as dense as Paris) but the suburbs are low density. Maybe Stockholm?

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Old 01-24-2014, 01:41 AM
 
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Advertisments for suburbia in London emphasized their non-urban aspects, even when they weren't that different. Early 20th century London suburban development was dense for British suburbia today, but they still got idealized.

Metro-Land and London's Suburbs | History.co.uk

Here's a poster by the Metropolitan Railway for Edgware:
Interesting. Still seems pretty weak compared to America's style of marketing as well as the actual effect suburbanization had on central cities.

Was it primarily an American trend of suburban growth draining the population and wealth of inner-cities or rather the growth of the suburbs outpacing the growth of the inner-city?
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Old 01-24-2014, 01:56 AM
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Interesting. Still seems pretty weak compared to America's style of marketing as well as the actual effect suburbanization had on central cities.

Was it primarily an American trend of suburban growth draining the population and wealth of inner-cities or rather the growth of the suburbs outpacing the growth of the inner-city?
Eh. British city proper population decline is near rust-belt levels.





above graphs show population of Manchester and adjacent towns. via wikipedia

still, from what I've seen of Liverpool and heard about other cities, the cities don't appear as distressed. City center is a big shopping area, and not dead and devoid of pedestrians. There's some abandonment, but not as extreme, so I'm guessing a lot of the population loss was from smaller household sizes and lessening of overcrowding in cities that had plenty of poor working-class sections. As well as government imposed slum clearance.
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Old 01-24-2014, 06:01 AM
 
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Are the outer suburbs of Paris actually pretty high density with all the high rise?
The commieblock areas aren't the densest. There are lot of green spaces and parking lots and the density is nowhere near an haussmannian block in central Paris. In this sense, such neighborhoods are fully suburban to me. It might not be visible at ground level because highrises stand out much more than single family homes, but even in the northeastern suburbs, (modest) houses take up much more land than housing projects.

nei, your image doesn't show up for me. Anyway, here's a density comparison between Moscow and Paris nei posted in another thread:
The economics of redevelopment and the shape of socialist cities | Market Urbanism

Apparently, Moscow is denser in its periphery, contrary to Paris.


Housing density map:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/89/7r3q.jpg

One can see islands of high density in the outer suburbs where the projects are located. As nei said, the denset "suburbs", which are anything but suburban, are located in the NW inner ring.



As for inner city population decline, here's a graph for Paris:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...f744ffb07a.png

Its population dwindled by 22% between 1962 and 1982. A lot of people lived in slums back in the 50s and households were much larger than today.


Population loss and gain between 1962 and 1975, inhabitants per year:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/585/xg4s.jpg
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:19 AM
 
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Eh. British city proper population decline is near rust-belt levels.





above graphs show population of Manchester and adjacent towns. via wikipedia

still, from what I've seen of Liverpool and heard about other cities, the cities don't appear as distressed. City center is a big shopping area, and not dead and devoid of pedestrians. There's some abandonment, but not as extreme, so I'm guessing a lot of the population loss was from smaller household sizes and lessening of overcrowding in cities that had plenty of poor working-class sections. As well as government imposed slum clearance.
The decline was pretty sharp, but a lot of it was indeed down to slum clearances. It has reversed, and Manchester grew by 19% between 2001 and 2011, Liverpool by around 5%. Mostly immigration.
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:57 AM
 
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Some of the Suburbs of Mexico City

This is Interlomas

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...exico_City.jpg

Santa Fe (even though it turned more into a city than a suburb over the years)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Dic_06_209.jpg

Typical Mexican Suburb..nice colors, but not so much variety...too much cookie cutter houses for me.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4XCmRJT1_X...CasitasGeo.jpg

http://www.sinembargo.mx/wp-content/...12/06/ac03.jpg

San Pedro Garza Garcia suburb of Monterrey.

http://www.rentasyventas.com.mx/foto...1202171294.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/402/2653454mt8.jpg

Zapopan, a nice suburb of Guadalajara. It seems out of place though. I didn't think there'd be places that look like this in central Mexico. It looks more like Miami, or maybe somewhere in the Baja California peninsula.

http://safe-img03.olx.com.mx/ui/13/7...-2d88784e.jpeg
Noce mexican suburbs, the last one seems to be great to live in.
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