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View Poll Results: Which feels bigger to you?
Tokyo 115 73.25%
New York 42 26.75%
Voters: 157. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-15-2014, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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NYC is not a big city geographically. People are often surprised at how small Manhattan is. And it takes a particularly special person to get lost in the grid there
Surprised at how small Manhattan is? New York is more than just Manhattan, it's 5 boroughs and a vast, sprawling metro area. Manhattan basically is like just the DOWNTOWN of New York (well at least the bottom half), notwithstanding the 'Downtown' Financial district. There are solid commercial high-rise all the way to 115th street. Manhattan is 10 miles long, how many world cities have a CBD 6 miles long? No, if anything Manhattan's size surprises people. Walking Manhattan end to end will take a solid 3 hours at a leisurely pace.
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Old 03-15-2014, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Satellite Of Love
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Surprised at how small Manhattan is? New York is more than just Manhattan, it's 5 boroughs and a vast, sprawling metro area. Manhattan basically is like just the DOWNTOWN of New York (well at least the bottom half), notwithstanding the 'Downtown' Financial district. There are solid commercial high-rise all the way to 115th street.Manhattan is 10 miles long, how many world cities have a CBD 6 miles long? No, if anything Manhattan's size surprises people. Walking Manhattan end to end will take a solid 3 hours at a leisurely pace.
I think I know a little more about New York City's geography than someone who claims that Manhattan is "solid commercial high rises" to 115th.
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Old 03-15-2014, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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I think I know a little more about New York City's geography than someone who claims that Manhattan is "solid commercial high rises" to 115th.
Okay I got that wrong, I should have said 60th street where Central Park begins.

Anyway, when I went there it felt vast, and I've never met anyone who thought NY was small. On what basis do they think it's small?
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Old 03-15-2014, 06:19 PM
 
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Okay I got that wrong, I should have said 60th street where Central Park begins.

Anyway, when I went there it felt vast, and I've never met anyone who thought NY was small. On what basis do they think it's small?
You're still way off if you think everything below 60th is solid CBD
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Old 03-15-2014, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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You're still way off if you think everything below 60th is solid CBD
Not everything, but NY's skyscrapers extend over a larger area than virtually every other city on the planet, except maybe Hong Kong.
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Old 03-15-2014, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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No comparison, and the poll shouldn't be anywhere near this close.

Tokyo Urban Area: 37 million, 3300 sq miles
New York Urban Area: 20.6 million, 4,500 sq miles

How big is Tokyo? You could combine Los Angeles (UA: 15.2 million) with New York and still not match Tokyo's population and density. It's an unfathomable beast of a city.

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Old 03-15-2014, 07:21 PM
 
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Tokyo and a handful of other Asian cities can make New York seem quaint in density and scale. I've never heard of anyone thinking NYC or Manhattan is small though and the vast majority of the city is not on a unified grid. Perhaps NYC's true boundaries are smaller than many cities, but the urban area is gigantic.

Also, technically everything south of 59th street is in a business district. Though Midtown South is heavily residential, there is more office space there than almost any other U.S city.

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Old 03-16-2014, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Blighty
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By big and small, many are obviously referring to geographic size. This is not a difficult concept to grasp or ascertain meaning of from the context of what they are saying.
Also calling on technicalities is pointless when people are referring to practicalities. People would be hard pressed to call many of the neighbourhoods south of 60th street commercial high rise zones, even if by some semantic basis it may technically be labelled a business zone.
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:17 AM
 
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NYC is not a big city geographically. People are often surprised at how small Manhattan is. And it takes a particularly special person to get lost in the grid there
I don't know if I agree with your statement that "NYC is not a big city geographically" (it's metropolitan region might be the largest in the world geographically), but even stranger is that you then refer to Manhattan as a proxy for NYC's size.

You are aware that Manhattan is a relatively small part of the city, and tiny part of the region, correct? The vast majority of even the very urban neighborhoods in NYC proper are not in Manhattan.
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:19 AM
 
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Tokyo and a handful of other Asian cities can make New York seem quaint in density and scale.
The density and scale in NYC is actually much higher than that of Tokyo, and probably higher than that of any Asian city excepting Hong Kong.

Hong Kong has density and scale over a much smaller area than NYC, though. Tokyo has medium density over a much higher area than NYC, but has no real area of extreme density.

If you compare Tokyo's core Yamamote Loop area with an equivalent area of NYC, NYC will come out significantly denser and greater-scaled (taller buildings, more consistent activity, etc.). I would think that even Osaka tops Tokyo in peak density.
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