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Old 03-14-2014, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Westminster, London
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The Catholic Church is clear about the sex for non-reproductive purposes. I don't know if catholics in other parts of the world follow so strictly the doctrine of the Vatican, but in Brazil most of them do not. Catholics are much more relaxed and less conservative about religion than most of the neopentecostal adherents. There is of course a lot of people carrying chaplets, portraits of Mary, stickers in the cars stating "I'm happy because I'm catholic", but many of them will also disagree with the Pope in questions about sex and contraceptive methods. And curiously, many brazilian catholics believe in reincarnation.

Declared non-believers, including atheist, agnostic or "spiritual but not religious" accounts for about 10% of the brazilian people, but since not all of them declare publicly their belief (or non-belief), the number may be higher.
Just out of curiosity, where do they get these beliefs about reincarnation from? From native traditions, or New Age beliefs?
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Old 03-14-2014, 12:37 PM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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Just out of curiosity, where do they get these beliefs about reincarnation from? From native traditions, or New Age beliefs?
Mostly throug the influence of the Kardecism, a religion also very strong in Brazil.
Almost nothing of the ancient indigenous traditions remain in Brazil outside the indigenous reserves.
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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The Catholic Church is clear about the sex for non-reproductive purposes. I don't know if catholics in other parts of the world follow so strictly the doctrine of the Vatican, but in Brazil most of them do not. Catholics are much more relaxed and less conservative about religion than most of the neopentecostal adherents. There is of course a lot of people carrying chaplets, portraits of Mary, stickers in the cars stating "I'm happy because I'm catholic", but many of them will also disagree with the Pope in questions about sex and contraceptive methods. And curiously, many brazilian catholics believe in reincarnation.

Declared non-believers, including atheist, agnostic or "spiritual but not religious" accounts for about 10% of the brazilian people, but since not all of them declare publicly their belief (or non-belief), the number may be higher.
Interesting. I knew there was a mix of traditional beliefs, maybe voodoo etc, but first I've heard about this. How does that fit into beliefs about paradise, purgatory and hell? Do they believe that the reincarnation is for a certain time, perhaps until judgemental day?
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Old 03-14-2014, 07:08 PM
 
Location: East coast
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African religious influences brought by the slaves seem to have a lot of influence in Brazil. I wonder if the reincarnation belief comes from them or from native influence?
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Old 03-14-2014, 08:32 PM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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African religious influences brought by the slaves seem to have a lot of influence in Brazil. I wonder if the reincarnation belief comes from them or from native influence?
I would not say "a lot", but there are, of course, many adherents of african religions. Those with most adherents are the so-called Candomblé, which is polytheist and has many features resembling the shamanism, and the Umbanda, which is a form fo syncretism mixing african beliefs and Christianity. However, I guess there are much more followers of the Kardecism than to african religions.

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Old 03-14-2014, 08:37 PM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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Interesting. I knew there was a mix of traditional beliefs, maybe voodoo etc, but first I've heard about this. How does that fit into beliefs about paradise, purgatory and hell? Do they believe that the reincarnation is for a certain time, perhaps until judgemental day?
Amongst the neopentecostal people, the belief is what states the Bible more or less literally. In the Catholicism generally the belief in the afterlife is generally what is said by the Vatican, but many of them (not all, and not even the majority, it should be clear) believe that God would be bad if He condemn anyone to the aeternal pain and not give another chance to those who died under sin. Thus, they believe in reincarnation and also in the dogmata of the Roman Catholic Church not involving the afterlife. Very curious, but it happens.

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Old 03-14-2014, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Amongst the neopentecostal people, the belief is what states the Bible more or less literally. In the Catholicism generally the belief in the afterlife is generally what is said by the Vatican, but many of them (not all, and not even the majority, it should be clear) believe that God would be bad if He condemn anyone to the aeternal pain and not give another chance to those who died under sin. Thus, they believe in reincarnation and also in the dogmata of the Roman Catholic Church not involving the afterlife. Very curious, but it happens.

Perhaps a new topic about religion would be good...
Yes I think more people are questioning the idea that God will send people to eternal torment, for good reason it's not merciful at all.
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Old 03-15-2014, 09:36 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Most lower-class Catholics in Latin America have no idea the Catholic Church forbids intercourse for non-reproductive purposes, and don't believe you if you tell them.

Reincarnation isn't incompatible with Catholicism, is it? Catholicism used to include reincarnation.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:42 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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Most lower-class Catholics in Latin America have no idea the Catholic Church forbids intercourse for non-reproductive purposes, and don't believe you if you tell them.

Reincarnation isn't incompatible with Catholicism, is it? Catholicism used to include reincarnation.
The doctrine in the Catholicism is not clear about the reincarnation, but most catholic scholars don't believe in it.
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Old 03-16-2014, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Most lower-class Catholics in Latin America have no idea the Catholic Church forbids intercourse for non-reproductive purposes, and don't believe you if you tell them.

Reincarnation isn't incompatible with Catholicism, is it? Catholicism used to include reincarnation.
The Church is pretty clear reincarnation is a heretical belief.
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