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Old 03-31-2014, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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It seems when I talk to Americans travelling abroad many try to downplay America, at least the nation (if not the place), and all seem pretty critical of the government (especially during the Bush years). Maybe it's the people I've met, but it seems many feel sort of embarrassed about being American at times, in contrast to the stereotype of them all being chest-beating zealous patriots. Maybe it's because of the general atmosphere of anti-Americanism one experiences in say Europe?
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Canada
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It seems when I talk to Americans travelling abroad many try to downplay America, at least the nation (if not the place), and all seem pretty critical of the government (especially during the Bush years). Maybe it's the people I've met, but it seems many feel sort of embarrassed about being American at times, in contrast to the stereotype of them all being chest-beating zealous patriots. Maybe it's because of the general atmosphere of anti-Americanism one experiences in say Europe?
No, it's because of the culture wars. The people you met are probably big city liberals and the opinion you described is common of this group culturally, even when I've spoken to them in America. The stereotype fits conservatives, especially rural conservatives. Both exist and as I'm sure you know there can be more extreme cultural contrasts between these groups in the US then you tend to see in other nations. But I'm sure an actual American could probably give better insight.

I suppose it's probably also a matter of manners. When you visit someone's home you don't typically talk about how it's crap compared to yours, you comment on what's nice about it, out of respect and manners. It doesn't mean you don't like your house.
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:06 PM
 
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I'm not ashamed to be an American, but I don't feel the need to advertise it, either. The stereotype that Australians have about Americans is particularly galling given the effusive patriotism of the average Aussie.
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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No, it's because of the culture wars. The people you met are probably big city liberals and the opinion you described is common of this group culturally, even when I've spoken to them in America. The stereotype fits conservatives, especially rural conservatives. Both exist and as I'm sure you know there can be more extreme cultural contrasts between these groups in the US then you tend to see in other nations. But I'm sure an actual American could probably give better insight.

I suppose it's probably also a matter of manners. When you visit someone's home you don't typically talk about how it's crap compared to yours, you comment on what's nice about it, out of respect and manners. It doesn't mean you don't like your house.
Yeah actually I've met quite a few from the Bay Area. It seems that type of person is more likely to travel abroad to places like rural Vietnam than your average hick from Tennessee.
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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I'm not ashamed to be an American, but I don't feel the need to advertise it, either. The stereotype that Australians have about Americans is particularly galling given the effusive patriotism of the average Aussie.
I agree, sometimes Aussie patriotism can be annoying, definitely.
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:24 PM
 
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It seems when I talk to Americans travelling abroad many try to downplay America, at least the nation (if not the place), and all seem pretty critical of the government (especially during the Bush years). Maybe it's the people I've met, but it seems many feel sort of embarrassed about being American at times, in contrast to the stereotype of them all being chest-beating zealous patriots. Maybe it's because of the general atmosphere of anti-Americanism one experiences in say Europe?
This stereotype would seem to be out of date at this point; the Bush years are over. The largest group of people that you hear being vocally critical of the government at this point are conservatives. Sure there are people who are unhappy with Obama's policies and or are upset that he isn't liberal enough, but domestically their voices seem to be in the minority in comparison to the conservatives who want his head on a platter. Although maybe you've primarily run into people who specifically fit that group, so who knows.

As for the ultra patriotic American stereotype, if you want to go by the stereotype alone, they would be the ones who frankly wouldn't have cared if it was taboo or not to be patriotic, and many of them would have been Bush supporters back then and most likely supporters of ultra conservative Republicans today. That's if you go by the stereotype, of course.
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:32 PM
 
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You are confusing patriotism with nationalism which is what the conservatives demand Americans live by.
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Old 03-31-2014, 05:34 PM
 
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It seems when I talk to Americans travelling abroad many try to downplay America, at least the nation (if not the place), and all seem pretty critical of the government (especially during the Bush years). Maybe it's the people I've met, but it seems many feel sort of embarrassed about being American at times, in contrast to the stereotype of them all being chest-beating zealous patriots. Maybe it's because of the general atmosphere of anti-Americanism one experiences in say Europe?
Yeah, I'd say it's taboo a little bit. Some people are even pathetic enough to try to say they're Canadian instead of saying they're American. I just find that to be ridiculous. I always say I'm American. However, I do tell people that I don't discuss politics.. but if they ask my opinion I'm not afraid to tell them. It's always fun being able to bash Obama.

However, I do not debate domestic issues with people from other countries and I will not listen to them.
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Old 03-31-2014, 06:09 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Sometimes we feel sorry for people who live in other countries.
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Old 03-31-2014, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Scotland
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What's with this European anti-American crap? I can name you tens of countries that have a problem with America - none in Europe.
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