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Old 04-04-2014, 01:16 PM
 
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I was just thinking about all the territories that the USA has and was wondering do people in the 50 states of the USA consider people from say Guam or American Samoa to be American?What about Puerto Rico? What does it take for the classification of nationality by you?

In UK we do not consider out territories to be British but whatever their culture is in their island/land.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:27 PM
 
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Good question. I've always wondered why the people of the United States are called "Americans" . There is a North, Central and South America but only the US people are "Americans". Shouldn't we be call "United Statesians", just as Canada's residents are called "Canadians", same for Mexico (Mexicans), China (Chinese), Croatia (Croatians) you get the idea, how did the US patent the term "Americans" ? Just some thoughts I had because I have too much time on my hands.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:33 PM
 
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I thought that too. Although to me American always means USA people.

Although my question was more focused on how people born in the 50 states classify nationality of people on the territories.
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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Good question. I've always wondered why the people of the United States are called "Americans" . There is a North, Central and South America but only the US people are "Americans". Shouldn't we be call "United Statesians", just as Canada's residents are called "Canadians", same for Mexico (Mexicans), China (Chinese), Croatia (Croatians) you get the idea, how did the US patent the term "Americans" ? Just some thoughts I had because I have too much time on my hands.
No, Mexico is actually called Los Estados Undios Mexicanos, so calling us United Statesians wouldn't be very fair to them, would it?

There have been numerous countries called "The United States", and many in South America have been the United States for most of their history. The United States of Brazil comes to mind, as does the United States of Venezuela. Additionally, the US was the first independent country in the western hemisphere and has always been referred to as Americans in the English language. This is documented as early as the war of Captain Jenkins Ear in the 1730's when the British described colonials from the thirteen colonies as "Americans". Similarly, during the Mexican-American war, there was no confusion among the Mexicans soldiers that their enemy was the "Americanos".

The issue of calling Americans "Americans" suddenly became an issue as the United States of America became a super power.

Go figure.

Proponents of the "United Statesian" term paint a picture of Americans deliberately "stealing" the demonym from other inhabitants of the Americas. This is utter nonsense, as the term American has only been used to designate the nationality of nationals of the United States of America. American was never, ever been used to designate the nationality of someone from the United States of Brazil, and has only been used to refer to all the people of the Americas as a regional identity in the loosest sense.

Germany was once a loose regional term, and at times included the Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria and much of what we today consider Poland, yet we never hear today's Germans being questioned by the Dutch or Austrians for using the demonym to refer to a nationality. You don't see the Portuguese trying to take back the term "Spaniard" (formerly used to refer to those from Hispania) to refer to the nationality inhabiting the Spanish state. You don't see those from Mozambique or Botswana salty over "South African" being used as a reference to the nationality of citizens of South Africa either. You also don't see French Canadians lamenting the usage of "Canadian" among the English Canadians. It is curious that the proponents of the term "United Statesian" are nowhere to be found when it comes to these other important instances of name stealing.

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I was just thinking about all the territories that the USA has and was wondering do people in the 50 states of the USA consider people from say Guam or American Samoa to be American?What about Puerto Rico? What does it take for the classification of nationality by you?

In UK we do not consider out territories to be British but whatever their culture is in their island/land.
Regarding those from Guam or Samoa, it depends. Puerto Ricans are completely foreign - they speak a different language, and fly another flag, so they are not considered American unless they move here and assimilate.
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Old 04-04-2014, 02:00 PM
 
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I've honestly never run into someone from Guam or American Samoa, but people from Puerto Rico are considered Puerto Ricans. The majority of Americans know that they have American citizenship, but they're typically considered to be Puerto Ricans first and American citizens second, unless they were born in one of the 50 states.
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Old 04-04-2014, 02:08 PM
 
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Ok thank you.

I just had an arguement with people saying that Puerto Ricans were American and that they were more culturally like Americans than British people.

Its ok if they want to be American but really I don't see them as that because as you say they aren't really American culturally. Even when I see them on the Television they call themselves Puerto Rican so must be only a few who call themselves American.
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Old 04-04-2014, 02:38 PM
 
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No, Mexico is actually called Los Estados Undios Mexicanos, so calling us United Statesians wouldn't be very fair to them, would it?

There have been numerous countries called "The United States", and many in South America have been the United States for most of their history. The United States of Brazil comes to mind, as does the United States of Venezuela. Additionally, the US was the first independent country in the western hemisphere and has always been referred to as Americans in the English language. This is documented as early as the war of Captain Jenkins Ear in the 1730's when the British described colonials from the thirteen colonies as "Americans". Similarly, during the Mexican-American war, there was no confusion among the Mexicans soldiers that their enemy was the "Americanos".

The issue of calling Americans "Americans" suddenly became an issue as the United States of America became a super power.

Go figure.

Proponents of the "United Statesian" term paint a picture of Americans deliberately "stealing" the demonym from other inhabitants of the Americas. This is utter nonsense, as the term American has only been used to designate the nationality of nationals of the United States of America. American was never, ever been used to designate the nationality of someone from the United States of Brazil, and has only been used to refer to all the people of the Americas as a regional identity in the loosest sense.

Germany was once a loose regional term, and at times included the Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria and much of what we today consider Poland, yet we never hear today's Germans being questioned by the Dutch or Austrians for using the demonym to refer to a nationality. You don't see the Portuguese trying to take back the term "Spaniard" (formerly used to refer to those from Hispania) to refer to the nationality inhabiting the Spanish state. You don't see those from Mozambique or Botswana salty over "South African" being used as a reference to the nationality of citizens of South Africa either. You also don't see French Canadians lamenting the usage of "Canadian" among the English Canadians. It is curious that the proponents of the term "United Statesian" are nowhere to be found when it comes to these other important instances of name stealing.



Regarding those from Guam or Samoa, it depends. Puerto Ricans are completely foreign - they speak a different language, and fly another flag, so they are not considered American unless they move here and assimilate.
Could you go into more detail ? Just kidding, just kidding.
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Old 04-04-2014, 03:23 PM
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I was just thinking about all the territories that the USA has and was wondering do people in the 50 states of the USA consider people from say Guam or American Samoa to be American?What about Puerto Rico? What does it take for the classification of nationality by you? .
You really didn't understand my post. I said nothing about whether people from territories specifically. I said when someone lives here for a while (maybe roughly a decade), especially if they become citizens they'd be considered Americans. Whether they're Puerto Rico or the Phillipines is irrelevant.
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Old 04-04-2014, 03:24 PM
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I just had an arguement with people saying that Puerto Ricans were American and that they were more culturally like Americans than British people.
That wasn't the arguement. I never claimed Puerto Ricans who live in Puerto Rico are American.
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Old 04-04-2014, 03:37 PM
 
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That wasn't the arguement. I never claimed Puerto Ricans who live in Puerto Rico are American.
No harm but that is just daft.

Puerto Ricans born in PR aren't American yet Puerto Ricans who move there are now suddenly Americans.
No I don't think so, your nationality is set by where you are born.

I will never call myself anything other than Northern Irish.
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