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Old 04-09-2014, 10:21 AM
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Before the 1950s America was a lot more conservative by today's yardstick, but yeah, if you go back say to the pre-Civil War the north was actually the more religious, puritanical part of the country and the south was more liberal and not AS fervently religious. The Puritans settled New England remember, while those who landed at Jamestown, Charleston etc were comparatively less religious.
Socially conservative. NOT economically conservative, which as much or the more important part of the political spectrum. Mid century American politics wasn't much about social issues (other than race, of course).

As for the north and south more liberal, again maybe only social issue. The south often didn't believe government funding of schools pre-civil war. New England was the least individualistic part of the country, and was rather communitarian in the colonial period. The pre-civil war New England was also full of would were the liberal activists movements of the day: abolitionism, women's rights, and a number of utopian ideas. Many of it was Christian inspired, but the whole nation was far more religious. The south had none of this. The Unitarian Church was strong in New England at the time (Ralph Waldo Emerson visited my local Unitarian Church a number of times).

Traditional northern conservatives favored a much larger government than traditional southern conservatives. The latter preferred almost no government. The former support basic government improvements and services for the greater good of an industrial economy.
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:04 PM
 
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Not just on the right, but the left viewed government with suspicion post-Vietnam and post-FBI survelliance.

I don't believe govt mistrust then was as high as it is today. More fringe movements then. The govt mistrust and hatred of today seems a lot more widespread.

I do believe it is more on the right side of the spectrum. And I believe the people elected to Congress in 2010 in the Republican Party are one of the prime causes. When was the last time a member of Congress screamed out at a State of the Union address "you lie" at the President? Accusing the President of lying like that during a very traditional speech has a huge impact on "mistrust" of the Govt. by conservative voters.
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Old 04-09-2014, 02:14 PM
 
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Socially conservative. NOT economically conservative, which as much or the more important part of the political spectrum. Mid century American politics wasn't much about social issues (other than race, of course).

As for the north and south more liberal, again maybe only social issue. The south often didn't believe government funding of schools pre-civil war. New England was the least individualistic part of the country, and was rather communitarian in the colonial period. The pre-civil war New England was also full of would were the liberal activists movements of the day: abolitionism, women's rights, and a number of utopian ideas. Many of it was Christian inspired, but the whole nation was far more religious. The south had none of this. The Unitarian Church was strong in New England at the time (Ralph Waldo Emerson visited my local Unitarian Church a number of times).

Traditional northern conservatives favored a much larger government than traditional southern conservatives. The latter preferred almost no government. The former support basic government improvements and services for the greater good of an industrial economy.

Read up on "Scots-Irish" in the US and you will understand where their hatred and mistrust of govt comes from. Was a part of the heritage of those folks from way way back when they lived in the border areas between England and Scotland. They were lowland Scots. Well known for superstition (very religious), mistrust of the King, and they hated paying any taxes. Sound familiar? And those folks in the South today are heavily Repubilcan.

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The southernmost counties of Scotland, nearest the border with England, are also known as the Borders. They are sometimes considered separately to the rest of the Lowlands. Many ancestors of the Scotch-Irish, as they are known in the United States, or Ulster-Scots, originated from the lowlands and borders region before migrating to the Ulster Plantation in the 17th century and later the American frontier, many prior to the American Revolution.
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Old 04-09-2014, 04:24 PM
 
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without a shadow of a doubt

the " **** you , I got mine " attitude in America is seen as almost morally righteous in the usa
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Old 04-09-2014, 04:24 PM
 
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Probably even in everyday life too... not just politics.

People take "MYOB" to a whole other level here.
(mind your own business)

Anybody who has driven in Germany are amazed how pretty much everybody will give way to faster traffic to keep traffic flowing. here people don't look in their rear view mirrors, block crosswalks, block intersections like its no big deal. I heard stories of American teachers who go teach in another country... they say the students work as a team, the bright kids help the slow kids catch up.
In America the bright kids don't want anyone to get in their way and don't want to fall behind from helping someone else.

All speaking in general terms of course.
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Old 04-09-2014, 04:26 PM
 
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Read up on "Scots-Irish" in the US and you will understand where their hatred and mistrust of govt comes from. Was a part of the heritage of those folks from way way back when they lived in the border areas between England and Scotland. They were lowland Scots. Well known for superstition (very religious), mistrust of the King, and they hated paying any taxes. Sound familiar? And those folks in the South today are heavily Repubilcan.

Scottish Lowlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The southernmost counties of Scotland, nearest the border with England, are also known as the Borders. They are sometimes considered separately to the rest of the Lowlands. Many ancestors of the Scotch-Irish, as they are known in the United States, or Ulster-Scots, originated from the lowlands and borders region before migrating to the Ulster Plantation in the 17th century and later the American frontier, many prior to the American Revolution.

the " borders " region of Scotland to which you refer is the most pro union and monarch of all of Scotland
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Old 04-09-2014, 04:27 PM
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Anybody who has driven in Germany are amazed how pretty much everybody will give way to faster traffic to keep traffic flowing. here people don't look in their rear view mirrors, block crosswalks, block intersections like its no big deal.
I suspect parts of Mediterrean Europe wouldn't be like that, either. But they're not really more individualistic just less rule-oriented.
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Old 04-09-2014, 06:01 PM
 
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Socially conservative. NOT economically conservative, which as much or the more important part of the political spectrum. Mid century American politics wasn't much about social issues (other than race, of course).

As for the north and south more liberal, again maybe only social issue. The south often didn't believe government funding of schools pre-civil war. New England was the least individualistic part of the country, and was rather communitarian in the colonial period. The pre-civil war New England was also full of would were the liberal activists movements of the day: abolitionism, women's rights, and a number of utopian ideas. Many of it was Christian inspired, but the whole nation was far more religious. The south had none of this. The Unitarian Church was strong in New England at the time (Ralph Waldo Emerson visited my local Unitarian Church a number of times).

Traditional northern conservatives favored a much larger government than traditional southern conservatives. The latter preferred almost no government. The former support basic government improvements and services for the greater good of an industrial economy.
Well yes, Southerners had more of a laissez faire attitude, but it was mostly due to economics and settlements. The less urban-oriented society allowed a more 'wild west' place where people often took the law into their own hands. Southern plantation owners who owned a lot of slaves etc of course grew rich off the labour of the slaves.etc so of course, like any other rich people, did not want the north interfering in what they believed they achieved through the fair free market. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
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Old 04-09-2014, 07:08 PM
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Well yes, Southerners had more of a laissez faire attitude, but it was mostly due to economics and settlements. The less urban-oriented society allowed a more 'wild west' place where people often took the law into their own hands.
I don't get the "yes, but", why should an effect created by economics count less? As to urban vs rural, New England had different patterns from the south before it urbanized. Rural settlements were much more organized with often a local town meeting form of government. Southern settlement was more haphazard.
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Old 04-09-2014, 07:13 PM
 
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I don't get the "yes, but", why should an effect created by economics count less? As to urban vs rural, New England had different patterns from the south before it urbanized. Rural settlements were much more organized with often a local town meeting form of government. Southern settlement was more haphazard.
I didn't say it does.

Yes, the South arguably didn't really industrialise after the reconstruction era of the Civil War as well. Yes, it was influenced a lot by the religious communities like the Puritans and others, while in the South it seemed more a matter of economics, like the settlement of the West.
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