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Old 04-16-2014, 04:12 AM
 
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That would be the definition of a pretty corrupt nation.
You may not know what "bail" means. It doesn't mean the GI won't face the local courts, it means it won't take the embassy to handle the matter.
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Old 04-16-2014, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Scotland
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Might as well consider it a North American army.
lol, dream on!
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Old 04-16-2014, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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You may not know what "bail" means. It doesn't mean the GI won't face the local courts, it means it won't take the embassy to handle the matter.
I know very well what the term "to bail someone out of jail" means. I don't know, though, why police forces should differentiate between locals and some random GI. There is something we call "the rule of law". And the law also applies to American soldiers.
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Old 04-16-2014, 04:59 AM
 
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I know very well what the term "to bail someone out of jail" means. I don't know, though, why police forces should differentiate between locals and some random GI. There is something we call "the rule of law". And the law also applies to American soldiers.
I'll put it this way: Police forces won't differentiate between locals and the GI. It would be a matter of local law rather than being escalated to a diplomatic dispute.

I'm supposing from your comments that in the Austrian legal system, the participants of a brawl must remain in police custody until trial. and there is no process to release them while awaiting trial.
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Old 04-16-2014, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Given our fecklish president's incompetence, we have no real allies left.
If we cut off the money flow (bribery $) to any of our "allies", we'd have no allies, only enemies!
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Old 04-17-2014, 12:00 AM
 
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If we cut off the money flow (bribery $) to any of our "allies", we'd have no allies, only enemies!
I'll cite just one glaring example of why we've lost support from our most important allies: Obama snubbed Margaret Thatcher's funeral. He skipped the Asian Summit pleading poverty but then made two big $$$$ pilgrimages to Mandela's South Africa. The US flag was put at half-mast for Mandela, but not for Thatcher.
Tapping Merkel's phone conversation's ended that relationship, and if we had any good will left between the US and Russia, Obama blew that up by intentionaly provoking Russia by sending a high profile gay delegation to Sochi. There are many more examples. We have a fool for a president.

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Old 04-17-2014, 04:18 AM
 
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I'll cite just one glaring example of why we've lost support from our most important allies: Obama snubbed Margaret Thatcher's funeral. He skipped the Asian Summit pleading poverty but then made two big $$$$ pilgrimages to Mandela's South Africa. The US flag was put at half-mast for Mandela, but not for Thatcher.
England is not by any means lost as an ally to the US. How stupid do you think the English are? The English are far too intelligent to throw away a national alliance over a social faux paux by one president.

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Tapping Merkel's phone conversation's ended that relationship,
The impromtu neck massage that Bush gave Merkel didn't break that alliance and neither has the NSA situation (which began under Bush as well). Genuine alliances are not that delicate.

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and if we had any good will left between the US and Russia, Obama blew that up by intentionaly provoking Russia by sending a high profile gay delegation to Sochi. There are many more examples. We have a fool for a president.
Russia hasn't been an ally to the US since WWII, and wasn't much of one then. Nothing lost with Putin.
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Old 04-17-2014, 05:36 AM
 
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England is not by any means lost as an ally to the US. How stupid do you think the English are? The English are far too intelligent to throw away a national alliance over a social faux paux by one president.



The impromtu neck massage that Bush gave Merkel didn't break that alliance and neither has the NSA situation (which began under Bush as well). Genuine alliances are not that delicate.



Russia hasn't been an ally to the US since WWII, and wasn't much of one then. Nothing lost with Putin.
I imagine you think Obama's relationship with Netanyahu is peachy too...
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Old 04-17-2014, 05:38 AM
 
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I imagine you think Obama's relationship with Netanyahu is peachy too...
You aren't getting the point at all.

The status of allies is not dependent on any given president. Israel's relationship with the US is not dependent on the personal relationship between Obama and Netanyahu. Israel's relationship with the US is based on geo-political factors that will outlive both men.
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Old 04-17-2014, 06:02 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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I'll cite just one glaring example of why we've lost support from our most important allies: Obama snubbed Margaret Thatcher's funeral. He skipped the Asian Summit pleading poverty but then made two big $$$$ pilgrimages to Mandela's South Africa. The US flag was put at half-mast for Mandela, but not for Thatcher.

Tapping Merkel's phone conversation's ended that relationship, and if we had any good will left between the US and Russia, Obama blew that up by intentionaly provoking Russia by sending a high profile gay delegation to Sochi. There are many more examples. We have a fool for a president.
I agree with some of your sentiments, as I think the whole post WW2 special relationship is often overplayed.

It should not be forgotten how John Maynard Keynes, regarded as one of the greatest minds of the 20th Century was treated when he went to the US to try to secure a loan for Britain after WW2. Keynes made an impassioned plea and made case after case, only to be told 'no' by the Truman Administration. Keynes even went on to state how small minded the Americans were, and only after more impassioned pleas did Britain secure only half the amount needed, with stipulations linking in to gold prices that caused further devastation to the British economy, as well as interest, and Britain's bankruptcy heralded a hasty withdrawal from Empire, something the Americans were keen to initiate.

The Americans being furious at the time that the British had voted the Great War Hero Winston Churchill out of power following the end of WW2 and replaced him with a Socialist Labour Government. Whilst the Labour Government of the time were furious at the way Keynes had been treated by the Americans. The Truman Government like the current US Administration thought they always knew best, and even ignored Britain's pleas in relation to the partition of Palestine and creation of the State of Israel, a vote Britain vetoed.

A change of power in the early 1950's saw Labour replaced by the Conservatives under Winston Churchill and Britain's involvement in Korea, a very bloody conflict in which a lot of British conscripts lost their lives, and Britain also became involved in a number of smaller wars in relation to withdrawal from Empire such as Malaysia and Burma.

Bu the time the 1960's arrived Britain once again was under Labour control, and unfortunately for the Americans, the Labour Party had a long memory, with Labour's refusal to get involved in the US Anti-Communist Civil War in the former French colony of Vietnam leading to a low point in US/UK relations with British Prime Minister Harold Wilson and US President Lyndon Johnson barely on speaking terms. The British did however allow the US to gather information via Britain's Hong Kong listening station and to use Hong Kong to support US Operations in the region, although further strain was put on the relationship following the storming of the US Embassy in London by British Anti-Vietnam protesters.

A further strain with regard to UK/US relations occurred in the 1970's when a resurgent IRA started carrying out terrorist attacks in Northern Ireland and mainland Britain, as the US did nothing to stop IRA terrorist funding in the US and consistently refused to extradite known terrorists to Britain, citing the fact that the terrorist acts were political. This was a position that didn't change until after the 9/11 Attacks.

By the time the 1980's arrived, Britain and the US had established much better relations under Thatcher and Reagan, with Thatcher constantly backing US Policy and following a terrorist attack which killed a number of US Service Personnel in Berlin in the Mid 1980's allowing the US to use British bases in order to bomb Libya. The US F-111 Bombers having to fly around the Bay of Biscay and through the straight of Gibraltar in order to pass in to the Mediterranean, as they weren't permitted to fly through French, Spanish and other European Airspace. The fact that Thatcher was such a good ally to the US making the snubbing of her funeral by the Obama administration all the more embarrassing, and something which no doubt was in the back of Tory Rebel MP's in Britain when they helped vote down any British involvement in Obama's planned action in relation to Syria. The Obama Administration immediately making matters worse by once again snubbing Britain, at a time when British troops were laying down their lives in a conflict they didn't need to be involved in, by declaring that France was America's oldest and closest ally.

In terms of the current US Obama Administration, it has shown quite a bit of contempt for Britain, most notably siding with the Argentinian position with regard to negotiations in relation to the Falklands at a time when British Soldiers were fighting a bloody conflict in Afghanistan's Helmand province in support of a US led war on terror, whilst cosying up to Argentine President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner.

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