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View Poll Results: No 5 in the world?
Hong Kong 26 40.00%
Seoul 1 1.54%
Shanghai 8 12.31%
Beijing 3 4.62%
Singapore 3 4.62%
Dubai 1 1.54%
Moscow 1 1.54%
Frankfurt 1 1.54%
Madrid 0 0%
Washington DC 1 1.54%
Chicago 1 1.54%
Toronto 4 6.15%
Los Angeles 9 13.85%
San Francisco 0 0%
Sao Paulo 1 1.54%
Sydney 1 1.54%
Mumbai 1 1.54%
Istanbul 3 4.62%
Voters: 65. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-30-2014, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Lol hope you're being sarcastic. If it wasn't for China, almost everything in your house wouldn't be there lol. How's that for influence?
Not necessarily - Chinese labour is favoured because it is cheap. Only recently have most things been manufactured in China. We'd be fine without China - completely fine. The knowledge and expertise exists in Europe and North America, and the quality of the products would almost certainly be higher.

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China is not only a manufacturing powerhouse. It is also an important innovative center. Two of most valuable internet companies are Tencent and Alibaba. Their market value is close to Amazon or Facebook, only after Google.
Never heard of them. They must only be valuable in China.
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Old 04-30-2014, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Never heard of them. They must only be valuable in China.
Alibaba is the ebay of China and Tencent is something like the former MSN messenger/blogspot/other social media provider. The benefit is that the Internet censorship is so tough in China, so these government-approved corporations get a semi-monopoly status just of being government-friendly.

No, nobody outside the Chinese world uses Alibaba or Tencent, they're just for the domestic market, like VKontakte (the Russian Facebook) is dominant only in the Russian-speaking world.
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Old 04-30-2014, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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It's probably Hong Kong at this point.
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Old 04-30-2014, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Not necessarily - Chinese labour is favoured because it is cheap. Only recently have most things been manufactured in China. We'd be fine without China - completely fine. The knowledge and expertise exists in Europe and North America, and the quality of the products would almost certainly be higher.



Never heard of them. They must only be valuable in China.
Yeah but how many Europeans are willing to work for $1 an hour? Our consumeristic lifestyle basically depends on sweatshop wages...the entire re-creation of the huge manufacturing economy would take ages, it would turn the world upside down...
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:16 AM
 
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Even the domestic market in China is bigger than the US and EU combined.

And these chinese companies are make good progress in South East Asia. Of course, a market of more than 2 billion does not really matter to the ignorant and arrogant westerners.

Only 300 million Americans matter.

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Alibaba is the ebay of China and Tencent is something like the former MSN messenger/blogspot/other social media provider. The benefit is that the Internet censorship is so tough in China, so these government-approved corporations get a semi-monopoly status just of being government-friendly.

No, nobody outside the Chinese world uses Alibaba or Tencent, they're just for the domestic market, like VKontakte (the Russian Facebook) is dominant only in the Russian-speaking world.
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:18 AM
 
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Of course you don't know. Americans do not really know anything outside theire country.

How about Lenovo, who bought part of IBM?

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Not necessarily - Chinese labour is favoured because it is cheap. Only recently have most things been manufactured in China. We'd be fine without China - completely fine. The knowledge and expertise exists in Europe and North America, and the quality of the products would almost certainly be higher.



Never heard of them. They must only be valuable in China.
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:19 AM
 
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the Chinese speaking world is bigger than the English speaking world. end of story.

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Alibaba is the ebay of China and Tencent is something like the former MSN messenger/blogspot/other social media provider. The benefit is that the Internet censorship is so tough in China, so these government-approved corporations get a semi-monopoly status just of being government-friendly.

No, nobody outside the Chinese world uses Alibaba or Tencent, they're just for the domestic market, like VKontakte (the Russian Facebook) is dominant only in the Russian-speaking world.
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:21 AM
 
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Europeans rather live with Social Security than to earn a living. what a shame. They maintain their level of living standard simply by raising more and more debt. Is it Ponzi Scheme?

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Yeah but how many Europeans are willing to work for $1 an hour? Our consumeristic lifestyle basically depends on sweatshop wages...the entire re-creation of the huge manufacturing economy would take ages, it would turn the world upside down...
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Old 05-01-2014, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Finland
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First he blaims us for being ignorant, then accuses dunno what to put here and me to be Americans.

And after that last post... who is the ignorant here?
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:22 PM
 
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Europeans rather live with Social Security than to earn a living. what a shame. They maintain their level of living standard simply by raising more and more debt. Is it Ponzi Scheme?
lol....I hope you keep writing these little ditties as your triumphalism at the rise of china is pretty funny. Just for your information, social programs are funded out of the productivity of any population. Western societies substitute a little bit more pay for a little bit more security..but it all comes out of the production of goods/services. So no, it's not in a least a Ponzi scheme.

If it had been up to me, gen2010, I would not have allowed china to rise quite as quickly as it has done in the last 20 years. This rise has only benefited a relatively small minority of immensely wealthy people living in gated communities here while throwing out of work millions of workers and reduced the capacity of the state to provide social programs to its citizens. And for what, a $2.00 pair of tube socks??
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