How does Europe deal with immigration, illegal or otherwise? (houses, unemployment rate)

[MorningGlory]

How do european countries screen for "illegals"? The US obviously isnt handling this well, and hasnt handled it well for maybe 30 years, maybe more. So how do you deal with it? The right wing sounds almost like the belated mishap Adolf when it comes to this issue, I wish someone would shed some help and logical ways to deal with the problem, before it gets any worse.

[nativeDallasite]

Originally Posted by MorningGlory

How do european countries screen for "illegals"? The US obviously isnt handling this well, and hasnt handled it well for maybe 30 years, maybe more. So how do you deal with it? The right wing sounds almost like the belated mishap Adolf when it comes to this issue, I wish someone would shed some help and logical ways to deal with the problem, before it gets any worse.

The UK doesn't have near the illegal immigration problem that the US does, but get a Brit started on "those bloody asylum seekers" sometime.

The UK has experienced massive migration in the last few years, but most of those migrants come from new EU member nations so they're legal. That doesn't mean the Brits are pleased about them being there, though. All of a sudden signs and government leaflets are appearing in Polish, and I heard a lot of griping and complaining about that.

[Mooseketeer]

With utter and total hysteria due to a mass media campaign to stir Nationalistic feelings towards immigrants. The way people talk about the influx of mainly European immigrants you would think the world was about to end.

When in fact immigrants bring more to the economy than they take, fill crucial positions which Brits refuse to do, do it better, more politely and do not over charge you.

I have noticed for example that the much maligned "Polish Plumber" syndrome has actually meant a raise in standards of work and they seem much less likely to rip you off.

Certain specialised sectors such as the building industry and specialist care work are suffering from chronic labour shortage and without immigrants this would be even worse.
Yes a very small minority do take advantage of the system and are scroungers but on the whole immigration is what makes the UK ( for example) a more varied, multicultural and interesting place.

I just wish people would stop whining and regurgitating erroneous and ignorant figures spread by the tabloids.

Most European immigrants to eventually return to their country anyway ( and make way for a new wave) , making their own Nation richer which in turns benefits us all economically ( trade wise, tourism etc...) and makes foreign relations far more stable.

Are there problems with immigration ? Of course ( mostly to do with a lack of assimilation and domestic social issues such as unemployment, poverty, lack of education etc...)but most seem "manufactured" by people who believe that foreigners are just one step removed from being spawns of satan.

And it also means I can now get some Polish foods in the supermarkets and there are specialised Polish Delis.

As far as I'm aware it's pretty much the same all over Europe.

[MorningGlory]

Originally Posted by Mooseketeer

With utter and total hysteria due to a mass media campaign to stir Nationalistic feelings towards immigrants. The way people talk about the influx of mainly European immigrants you would think the world was about to end.

When in fact immigrants bring more to the economy than they take, fill crucial positions which Brits refuse to do, do it better, more politely and do not over charge you.

I have noticed for example that the much maligned "Polish Plumber" syndrome has actually meant a raise in standards of work and they seem much less likely to rip you off.

Certain specialised sectors such as the building industry and specialist care work are suffering from chronic labour shortage and without immigrants this would be even worse.
Yes a very small minority do take advantage of the system and are scroungers but on the whole immigration is what makes the UK ( for example) a more varied, multicultural and interesting place.

I just wish people would stop whining and regurgitating erroneous and ignorant figures spread by the tabloids.

Most European immigrants to eventually return to their country anyway ( and make way for a new wave) , making their own Nation richer which in turns benefits us all economically ( trade wise, tourism etc...) and makes foreign relations far more stable.

Are there problems with immigration ? Of course ( mostly to do with a lack of assimilation and domestic social issues such as unemployment, poverty, lack of education etc...)but most seem "manufactured" by people who believe that foreigners are just one step removed from being spawns of satan.

And it also means I can now get some Polish foods in the supermarkets and there are specialised Polish Delis.

As far as I'm aware it's pretty much the same all over Europe.

I feel the same about Mexican food, I can't imagine life without it!

But how would Britain keep people from coming in illegally? I mean, I couldn't get in without a passport unless I borrowed a boat and found an empty coastline somewhere, right?

[Anarchy]

Illegal immigration is HUGE in the UK and they come from all over the shant, the government are not doing much about it but they don't have a clue how many arrive on our shores which doesn't help but every year they will chuck out a figure that is very misguided.

For an illegal it is very easy to come to the UK and slip through the net many illegals can be seen in many UK cities and towns as beggars. Also many are forced into the sex trade and the UK illegal sex trade is booming with more illegal brothels and underage illegals that have been promised a better life from where they have come from.

Many illegals that get caught don't get sent back where they came from of fear of been killed or imprisoned so they get to stay in most cases and provided with a house and benefit support.

As for legal immigrants mainly coming from the EU does help the economy but too many are here we don't need all we get and influx of all the immigrants put pressure on the NHS, Schools which are very overcrowded, prisons again which are overcrowded, housing shortages and immigrants will also be put before a British citizen who is on the waiting list but this is supposed to be changing, hmm yeah right, some sort of cap should be in force.

The whole story about how immigrants do the jobs that us Brits wont is not true most arrive in the UK and sign on an agency which puts them in warehouses or similar I can be sure that many Brits will do those jobs. The unemployment rate is at the highest since the 80's

[MorningGlory]

Originally Posted by Anarchy

Illegal immigration is HUGE in the UK and they come from all over the shant, the government are not doing much about it but they don't have a clue how many arrive on our shores which doesn't help but every year they will chuck out a figure that is very misguided.

For an illegal it is very easy to come to the UK and slip through the net many illegals can be seen in many UK cities and towns as beggars. Also many are forced into the sex trade and the UK illegal sex trade is booming with more illegal brothels and underage illegals that have been promised a better life from where they have come from.

Many illegals that get caught don't get sent back where they came from of fear of been killed or imprisoned so they get to stay in most cases and provided with a house and benefit support.

As for legal immigrants mainly coming from the EU does help the economy but too many are here we don't need all we get and influx of all the immigrants put pressure on the NHS, Schools which are very overcrowded, prisons again which are overcrowded, housing shortages and immigrants will also be put before a British citizen who is on the waiting list but this is supposed to be changing, hmm yeah right, some sort of cap should be in force.

The whole story about how immigrants do the jobs that us Brits wont is not true most arrive in the UK and sign on an agency which puts them in warehouses or similar I can be sure that many Brits will do those jobs. The unemployment rate is at the highest since the 80's

I didn't realize Britain was having so many problems with immigration. There must be humanitarian ways to deal with immigration that benefit everyone.

By the way, in my OP i meant "departed" not "belated". I should maybe go to bed when I start to get sleepy......

[Lillietta]

[b]The UK has experienced massive migration in the last few years, but most of those migrants come from new EU member nations so they're legal. That doesn't mean the Brits are pleased about them being there, though. All of a sudden signs and government leaflets are appearing in Polish, and I heard a lot of griping and complaining about that.[/B

Which makes me believe, as I always have, that the "illegal" issue is an excuse for a larger issue - bigotry.

[Anarchy]

Originally Posted by MorningGlory

I didn't realize Britain was having so many problems with immigration. There must be humanitarian ways to deal with immigration that benefit everyone.

By the way, in my OP i meant "departed" not "belated". I should maybe go to bed when I start to get sleepy......

Well its a big enough problem where something needs to be done the government is trying different approaches we were to get ID cards like the US green cards but that fell through for many reasons mostly the cost. Many of the illegals are coming from countries that are very corrupt with no opportunities and living in severe poverty so you can't blame them in a way for trying to better their lives but we need to be tougher rather than an open door policy we seem to have, the French take a strong stance in this situation as do Australia and maybe we should look at how they do it .

[glxyman21]

Most european countries only grant citizenship on the nationality of the parents, not by the land (like in the U.S.) so it leaves out the people desperate for "anchor babies" to recieve government benefits. I'm sure if the U.S. eliminated this law (which was only enacted to build up and grow the country) that a lot of people will be less inclined to come here illegally.

[nativeDallasite]

Originally Posted by Lillietta

[b]The UK has experienced massive migration in the last few years, but most of those migrants come from new EU member nations so they're legal. That doesn't mean the Brits are pleased about them being there, though. All of a sudden signs and government leaflets are appearing in Polish, and I heard a lot of griping and complaining about that.[/B

Which makes me believe, as I always have, that the "illegal" issue is an excuse for a larger issue - bigotry.

The British are just as bigoted as we Americans are, if not more so. I heard absolutely shocking things on a daily basis at the office...things Americans would be fired for here.

My grandmother was Polish, and shortly after her death someone at work referred to Polish migrants in York as "bloody Polish criminals" and said they were a nation of "worthless idiots". I spoke up, saying that not only had my very sweet and decidedly non-criminal Polish grandmother just died, but I had other Polish relatives employed as judges, opera singers, teachers, etc. and that I didn't appreciate hearing all Polish people referred to as "criminals" and "worthless idiots". The woman said, "Sorry mate, won't happen again" and five minutes later was bashing Poles again where she thought I couldn't hear her. If it wasn't her, it was someone else complaining about "those bloody Poles".

I was also frequently told that I was the kind of immigrant that the UK wanted because I'm white, I speak English, and I have a university degree. I asked one one time if it would make a difference if I was black. They shrugged and said, "I dunno, I suppose not" when the answer should have been "NO!"