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View Poll Results: Least Safest First World Country?
Germany 3 1.57%
Canada 4 2.09%
France 16 8.38%
Italy 8 4.19%
Australia 2 1.05%
Sweden 7 3.66%
USA 128 67.02%
UK 6 3.14%
Spain 7 3.66%
Other (please mention) 10 5.24%
Voters: 191. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-31-2016, 04:55 PM
 
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Its stupid to compare any other crime statistic than homicide across nations because of the vastly different ways they are reported in different countries.
Why is homicide the best way to compare? The chance of getting killed randomly is basically zero, wherever you are. The chance of getting assaulted or robbed is about 100x as likely. Therefore, looking at robberies and assaults are a better indicator of crime than murders. Besides, the reason for America's high murder rates is its lax gun laws.
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Old 12-31-2016, 07:20 PM
 
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The crime rate in the US is lower than most European countries, just the murder rate is higher. But when it comes to assaults, rapes, burglaries, thefts etc America is actually safer overall. The murder rate is high because of lax gun laws.
No, it's not. Basically every type of crime is much higher in the US. It's interesting that assault is actually higher in Europe, perhaps because Americans tend to solve violent disagreements with guns rather than with their bare hands so it is classified as (attempted) murder rather than assault. The incarceration rates are much higher in the US and the poll too shows we have a clear winner. The US is playing in a whole different league than Europe, Canada, or other western countries, there is no point in denying this.
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Old 12-31-2016, 07:51 PM
 
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The report shows crime rates are generally higher in the US compared to Europe except for assault. Incarceration rates are 8 - 50 higher in the US compared to European countries. Crime is deeply embedded in your society and is just a way of life probably originating from the wild west culture back then.
That's not what the report shows, but please do continue to deny what it does show if it helps you feel better.

Tourists being mugged in Europe is a big problem. There's a plethora of websites dedicated to helping tourists deal with the problem. OTH, tourists being raped or murdered in US is quite rare.

"Wild West culture" lol.... Too much Hollywood for some people.
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Old 01-01-2017, 08:06 AM
 
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Yes, it's exactly what the crime statistics and the incarceration rates show for basically all types of crime, those are dozens of times higher than in Europe. Crime is just deeply embedded in your roots. And historical reasons certainly are very significant. Like my history teacher told me, the problem with the US is that it is mostly populated by descendants from European immigrants from centuries ago. In the old days Europeans (but mostly the British) put the less desirable people like the convicts, the homeless, the lowlifes, and the unemployed on those ships to the US. And like we say over here 'the apple does not fall far from the tree' meaning descendants from European immigrants from centuries ago still share some of their ancestors bad habits. That explains higher crime rates, increased poverty levels, and lower education performance compared to other western countries. The British really owe you an apology for this.

Don't get me wrong, the US is a beautiful country with friendly people but it certainly has its flaws, some of of them fairly large.

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Old 01-01-2017, 09:06 AM
 
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THE US VS THE BIG FOUR OF EUROPE IN CRIME RATES

http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/fi...ecdjan2012.pdf

Reported crime per 100k inhabitants.

US: 5.0
Germany: 0.8
England & Wales: 1.1
France: 1.4
Italy: 1.0

Rape per 100k.

US: 28.6
Germany: 8.9
England & Wales: 27.7
France: 16.2
Italy: 7.6

Robbery per 100k.

US: 133
Germany: 60
England & Wales: 137
France: 181
Italy: 108

Assault per 100k.

US: 262
Germany: 630
England & Wales: 730
France: 310
Italy: 110

NOTE! Assault cases are the most difficult to compare, as both the definition and the willingness to report them varies from country to country.

Burglary per 100k.

US: 715
Germany: 456
England & Wales: 986
France: 513
Italy: 190

Vehicle theft per 100k.

US: 258
Germany: 106
England & Wales: 215
France: 333
Italy: 384

So, the stats show that the US has generally similar rates of crime tas the largest EU countries. Not significantly higher or lower, both of which have been claimed on this thread. Germany stands out, with low rates of crime on all sectors.
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Old 01-01-2017, 09:23 AM
 
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So, the stats show that the US has generally similar rates of crime tas the largest EU countries. Not significantly higher or lower, both of which have been claimed on this thread. Germany stands out, with low rates of crime on all sectors.
The graphs give better insight and show the US is still much higher than Europe overall on average although some European countries are outliers and have individual crime rates higher than the US. And now look at the incarceration rates which on average are tens of times higher in the US? That would be quite a contradiction to the lower crime rates some keep claiming. It's not like those crime go by unpunished in Europe or random innocent people get locked away in the US. But don't let the facts get in your way .
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Old 01-01-2017, 09:28 AM
 
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Yes, it's exactly what the crime statistics and the incarceration rates show for basically all types of crime, those are dozens of times higher than in Europe. Crime is just deeply embedded in your roots. And historical reasons certainly are very significant. Like my history teacher told me, the problem with the US is that it is mostly populated by descendants from European immigrants from centuries ago. In the old days Europeans (but mostly the British) put the less desirable people like the convicts, the homeless, the lowlifes, and the unemployed on those ships to the US. And like we say over here 'the apple does not fall far from the tree' meaning descendants from European immigrants from centuries ago still share some of their ancestors bad habits. That explains higher crime rates, increased poverty levels, and lower education performance compared to other western countries. The British really owe you an apology for this.

Don't get me wrong, the US is a beautiful country with friendly people but it certainly has its flaws, some of of them fairly large.
To be fair, I think it's those Africans causing most of the crime. Without them, it would be quite peaceful. I'm sure one could look up data saying people of African descents causing 50-80% of all crime.
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Old 01-01-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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The graphs give better insight and show the US is still much higher than Europe overall on average although some European countries are outliers and have individual crime rates higher than the US. And now look at the incarceration rates which on average are tens of times higher in the US? That would be quite a contradiction to the lower crime rates some keep claiming. It's not like those crime go by unpunished in Europe or random innocent people get locked away in the US. But don't let the facts get in your way .
Incarceration rates are higher in the US because they have tougher punishments than European countries. For example, an assault in Holland would usually not land you more than a month or two in jail (if that). In America, you could go to jail for 10 or even 20 years for the same crime. This means more people are locked up at any given time, because their sentences are longer and their police is more effective.
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Old 01-01-2017, 09:32 AM
 
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The graphs give better insight and show the US is still much higher than Europe overall on average although some European countries are outliers and have individual crime rates higher than the US. And now look at the incarceration rates which on average are tens of times higher in the US? That would be quite a contradiction to the lower crime rates some keep claiming. It's not like those crime go by unpunished in Europe or random innocent people get locked away in the US. But don't let the facts get in your way .
Sure, but the original claim in this thread was "the US vs largest EU countries", so I kept it consistent. NL, Finland, Sweden, Austria among others have significantly lower crime rates than the US.
The incarceration rate can be largely explained by the prison-industrial complex in the US and the overall mentality there, while in Europe putting people in prisons isn't a business.
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Old 01-01-2017, 09:35 AM
 
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Sure, but the original claim in this thread was "the US vs largest EU countries", so I kept it consistent. NL, Finland, Sweden, Austria among others have significantly lower crime rates than the US.
The incarceration rate can be largely explained by the prison-industrial complex in the US and the overall mentality there, while in Europe putting people in prisons isn't a business.
No, Sweden has a higher crime rate than the US according to that list. Netherlands about the same.
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