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View Poll Results: Least Safest First World Country?
Germany 3 1.57%
Canada 4 2.09%
France 16 8.38%
Italy 8 4.19%
Australia 2 1.05%
Sweden 7 3.66%
USA 128 67.02%
UK 6 3.14%
Spain 7 3.66%
Other (please mention) 10 5.24%
Voters: 191. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-01-2017, 09:36 AM
 
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THE US VS THE BIG FOUR OF EUROPE IN CRIME RATES
Issue with comparing the US to any one eu country is that the US is so much larger... it takes the entire EU to compare to the US economically but when comparing them for things like which country is doing better? Sorry but california has a gdp nearly equal to france/uk and more than italy

Why not compare montana to germany or something? Picking and choosing which things to compare is pointless if comparing apples and bananas

Why isnt turkey on the poll with all the attacks?
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Old 01-01-2017, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Finland
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No, Sweden has a higher crime rate than the US according to that list. Netherlands about the same.
You're correct for Sweden. My bad.

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Issue with comparing the US to any one eu country is that the US is so much larger... it takes the entire EU to compare to the US economically but when comparing them for things like which country is doing better? Sorry but california has a gdp nearly equal to france/uk and more than italy

Why not compare montana to germany or something? Picking and choosing which things to compare is pointless if comparing apples and bananas

Why isnt turkey on the poll with all the attacks?
There is not an issue here, as the crime levels are calculated per 100,000 of population. Therefore the results are the same regardless if you're the US or Slovenia.

The "because the US is larger" thing doesn't hold water in almost any debate. It's a straw man argument just to give the US a "get out of jail" card.

Comparing Germany with Montana is again totally pointless, unless it's calculated by 100k of population.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:11 AM
 
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There is not an issue here, as the crime levels are calculated per 100,000 of population. Therefore the results are the same regardless if you're the US or Slovenia.

The "because the US is larger" thing doesn't hold water in almost any debate. It's a straw man argument just to give the US a "get out of jail" card.

Comparing Germany with Montana is again totally pointless, unless it's calculated by 100k of population.
because you didn't pick a random selection of 100k

it's like going to a strip club vs church and asking per 100k people, who were better clothes? the selection is already biased before the comparison was made

you used the "big 4" of europe based on GDP, which is why I brought up GDP, you did not pick the "big 4" of europe based on the 4 countries with the highest crime rate or lowest crime rate. if "per 100k" was an actual standard, then the 100k of people from montana would be equal to 100k of people in a population dense place where people are more likely to come in contact with each other much less conflict

yes, i think the EU is "safer" than some areas of the US, but I can always "find trouble" anywhere in the world. but no, I don't think "per 100k" is a good standardization for comparison
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Why isnt turkey on the poll with all the attacks?
Because Turkey is not a First World Country.
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Old 01-01-2017, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Finland
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because you didn't pick a random selection of 100k
Now jeez. IT IS RANDOM AS A CONCEPT! I DIDN'T PICK ANYTHING!

Learn the basics of statistics.
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Old 01-01-2017, 03:36 PM
 
Location: United Kingdom
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The Big Four of Europe? What?
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Old 01-01-2017, 09:07 PM
 
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The graphs give better insight and show the US is still much higher than Europe overall on average although some European countries are outliers and have individual crime rates higher than the US. And now look at the incarceration rates which on average are tens of times higher in the US? That would be quite a contradiction to the lower crime rates some keep claiming. It's not like those crime go by unpunished in Europe or random innocent people get locked away in the US. But don't let the facts get in your way .
The facts are that 48.6% of the US prison population are there for drug related offenses (which is really stupid) . Most of them would not be in jail in Europe. Then factor in that US courts issue much stiffer sentences for comparable crimes than their European counterparts and it gets pretty easy to see that criminality in the US is not what you are portraying it to be.
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Old 01-02-2017, 08:36 AM
 
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Why is homicide the best way to compare? The chance of getting killed randomly is basically zero, wherever you are. The chance of getting assaulted or robbed is about 100x as likely. Therefore, looking at robberies and assaults are a better indicator of crime than murders. Besides, the reason for America's high murder rates is its lax gun laws.

Every country uses for crimes like robbery, assaults, burglaries or rapes different definitions. People from different cultures have also a different sense of whether a crime should be reported to the police or not. That makes it almost impossible to compare such superficial figures about crime rates. The only exception are homicides. Most likely that all developed countries have a very similar definition for homicides and we can expect that all homicides will be reported.
If we want to compare the overall amount of crime between different countries we would need to study the whole annual crime report and in addition to this we would need a lot of background knowledge how to compare crime reports from different countries.
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Old 01-02-2017, 08:42 AM
 
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Every country uses for crimes like robbery, assaults, burglaries or rapes different definitions. People from different cultures have also a different sense of whether a crime should be reported to the police or not. That makes it almost impossible to compare such superficial figures about crime rates. The only exception are homicides. Most likely that all developed countries have a very similar definition for homicides and we can expect that all homicides will be reported.
If we want to compare the overall amount of crime between different countries we would need to study the whole annual crime report and in addition to this we would need a lot of background knowledge how to compare crime reports from different countries.
I can tell you flat out that Americans report damn near EVERYTHING. All crimes are an opportunity to sue. Beyond seeking justice, they are motivated financially as well. Hence, my comment earlier about tapping a woman on the butt or even rubbing her knee can get you arrested for sexual assault.
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Old 01-02-2017, 08:43 AM
 
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To be fair, I think it's those Africans causing most of the crime. Without them, it would be quite peaceful. I'm sure one could look up data saying people of African descents causing 50-80% of all crime.

That would be the same in Europe. In Germany for example most burglaries seem to be committed by people from Far Eastern Europe. They don't even live in Germany. They just travel in groups to Germany, stay here for several weeks and commit non-stop burglaries.
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