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Old 08-13-2014, 11:01 AM
 
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Nope the UK was the biggest migrant source until recently. It was by far the dominant group well into the 20th century, while I think by the early 1800s Britain had ceased to be the primary source of immigration to the United States. Huge difference demographically.
Biggest, but a part of a much larger mix. Also up until the late 1970s the fairly large number of migrants from the Irish Republic were included in the "British" total.

But that pattern you describe is fully consistent with my point. The US is a lot older than Australia. Migration of free settlers to Australia, as opposed to transportation of comparatively small numbers of convicts, really only began in significant numbers in the 1830s.

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Old 08-13-2014, 03:45 PM
 
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Supposedly German is the largest ancestry group in the US, but those with some British (English and Scottish) ancestry might be unreported. Most of those who identify as just 'American' likely have British and Irish ancestry. Still, I wonder why the US isn't as dominated by people of British ancestry like Australia, NZ and a lesser extent Canada, since it began as a British colony or colonies. Those 3 nations also received a lot of Irish, especially since Ireland was until British rule until 1916, although the US did too. How come cities like New York, Boston, Philly are more known for Italians, Irish or even Jews than British/English/Scottish Americans? Weirdly, someone with the last name 'Smith' in NYC is most likely black.

Not that Australia didn't receive a ton of other immigrants, but it seems English Americans especially seem either unreported or strangely underrepresented in the States.
I think when the British lost the thirteen colonies during Revolutionary War, they were just less immigration there because it wasn't their own colony and it's normal. On the other side, they had 3 big other lands (Canada, Australia and New Zealand) who were still under the British Empire so it was maybe easier for them to immigrate there.

But like someone said, English people didn't stop immigrate in the US, it was just less important than German, Irish or Italian immigration. In the 19th century, some immigrate to the textile factories in New England or in California during the Golden rush. English immigrants were also the most numerous in Utah and Idaho.
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Old 08-15-2014, 01:27 AM
 
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Here is a list of cities with over 100,000 people in 1930 where at least 5% were of English, Scottish or Welsh birth or parentage:


Salt Lake City 140,267 24,793 17.7%
New Bedford 112,597 16,384 14.6%
Fall River 115,274 16,737 14.5%
Providence 252,981 22,679 9.0%
Lowell 100,234 8,863 8.9%
Paterson 138,513 11,885 8.6%
Yonkers 134,646 10,847 8.1%
Seattle 365,583 28,033 7.7%
Oakland 284,063 21,506 7.6%
Long Beach 142,032 10,301 7.3%
Utica 101,740 7,257 7.1%
San Diego 147,995 9,923 6.7%
Tacoma 106,817 6,820 6.4%
Flint 156,492 9,811 6.3%
Springfield 149,900 9,487 6.3%
Bridgeport 146,716 9,265 6.3%
Detroit 1,568,662 96,645 6.2%
San Francisco 634,394 38,798 6.1%
Los Angeles 1,238,048 74,613 6.0%
Trenton 123,356 7,344 6.0%
Somerville 103,508 6,141 5.9%
Lynn 102,320 6,016 5.9%
Denver 287,861 15,417 5.4%
Spokane 115,514 6,197 5.4%
Portland 301,815 15,863 5.3%
Worcester 195,311 10,289 5.3%
Elizabeth 114,589 6,004 5.2%
Philadelphia 1,950,961 98,757 5.1%
Pittsburgh 669,817 34,352 5.1%
Boston 781,188 38,699 5.0%
Cambridge 113,643 5,712 5.0%

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Old 08-16-2014, 12:15 AM
 
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Most people in modern UK do not think living in the US is much better than living in their countries.
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Old 08-16-2014, 02:43 AM
 
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Very interesting. Here're some stats for Australian cities in 2011 (source:http://profile.id.com.au/australia/b...ace?WebID=10):

Sydney
Total People: 4,391,636 (Total responses 5,534,981)
English: 1,132,110 25.8%
Irish: 365,485 8.3%
Scottish: 276,975 6.3%
Welsh 21,097 0.5%
UK Birthplace: 181,892 4.1%
Next highest group of European origin: Italian 183,914; Greek 112,852, German 109,596, Maltese 54,083, Dutch 44,500, Croatian 35,555, Polish 34,719, Spanish 31,451, Serbian 28,260, French 25,284

Melbourne
Total People: 3,999,950 (Total responses 5,087,036)
English: 1,075,384 26.9%
Irish: 351,363 8.8%
Scottish: 289,021 7.2%
Welsh 18,085 0.5%
UK Birthplace: 165,487 5.1%
Next highest group of European origin: Italian 279,140, Greek 154,244, German 121,691, Dutch 65,273, Maltese 62,347, Polish 45,503, Macedonian 39,567, Croatian 34,434, Serbian 26,424, French 21,282

Brisbane
Total People: 2,065,993 (Total responses 2,779,465)
English: 757,732 36.7%
Irish: 238,589 11.5%
Scottish: 201,524 9.8%
Welsh 13,688 0.7%
UK Birthplace: 109,267 5.3%
Next highest group of European origin: German 122,728, Italian 50,987, Dutch 34,985, Greek 13,806, Polish 13,806, French 12,294, Danish 9,316, Spanish 9,205, Russian 7,179, Serbian 6,542

Adelaide
Total People: 1,225,240 (Total responses 1,594,065)
English: 457,019 37.3%
Scottish: 95,959 7.8%
Irish: 92,740 7.6%
Welsh 8,740 0.7%
UK Birthplace: 101,444 8.3%
Next highest group of European origin: Italian 83,930, German 83,817, Greek 34,731, Dutch 20,969, Polish 16,063, Serbian 7,487, Croatian 6,600, Maltese 5,864, French 5,306, Russian 5,157

Perth
Total People: 1,728,887 (Total responses 2,251,785)
English: 649,603 37.6%
Irish: 144,262 8.3%
Scottish: 143,131 8.3%
Welsh 15,194 0.9%
UK Birthplace: 197,665 11.4%
Next highest group of European origin: Italian 93,884, German 46,314, Dutch 35,779, Croatian 15,820, Polish 15,481, Greek 12,408, French 9,903, Serbian 8,921, Macedonian 8,693, Portuguese 7,913, Spanish 6,554

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Old 08-16-2014, 03:01 AM
 
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And here are the cities from Canada (source:National Household Survey (NHS))

Toronto
Total People: 5,521,235
English: 777,110 14.1%
Scottish: 545,365 9.9%
Irish: 543,600 9.8%
Welsh 56,040 1%
UK Birthplace: 112,585 2%
Next highest group of European origin: Italian 475,090, German 262,830, French 249,375, Polish 214,455, Portuguese 196,975, Ukrainian 130,350, Russian 118,090, Spanish 105,740, Dutch 98,925, Greek 96,430

Vancouver
Total People: 2,280,700
English: 474,030 20.8%
Scottish: 332,830 14.6%
Irish: 258,875 11.4%
Welsh 42,795 1.9%
UK Birthplace: 61,255 2.7%
Next highest group of European origin: German 211,410, French 140,155, Ukrainian 84,640, Italian 82,440, Dutch 73,535, Polish 63,645, Russian 51,505, Norwegian 46,870, Spanish 41,530, Swedish 38,780

Calgary
Total People: 1,199,125
English: 289,275 24.1%
Scottish: 221,765 18.5%
Irish: 183,985 15.3%
Welsh 24,805 2.1%
UK Birthplace: 25,125 2.1%
Next highest group of European origin: German 185,995, French 111,895, Ukrainian 81,660, Polish 50,905, Dutch 50,080, Norwegian 37,455, Italian 36,880, Russian 34,240, Swedish 26,075, Hungarian 19,990

Winnipeg
Total People: 714,640
English: 153,065 21.4%
Scottish: 126,320 17.6%
Irish: 94,820 13.3%
Welsh 11,485 1.6%
UK Birthplace: 9,170 1.3%
Next highest group of European origin: German 121,470, Ukrainian 115,230, French 97,695, Polish 58,440, Dutch 29,060, Russian 25,415, Italian 18,410, Icelandic 18,210, Swedish 13,910, Norwegian 12,340

Montreal
Total People: 3,752,475
French: 945,530 25.2%
Irish: 223,780 6.2%
English: 140,115 3.7%
Scottish: 114,240 3.1%
Welsh 7,565 0.2%
UK Birthplace: 11,740 0.3%
France Birthplace: 46,540 1.24%
Next highest group of European origin: Italian 263,565, German 78,490, Greek 65,690, Spanish 62,650, Polish 53,495, Portuguese 48,320, Russian 40,760 , Romanian 38,085, Belgian 29,010, Ukrainian 26,690

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Old 08-16-2014, 03:23 AM
 
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For some context, in 2011 27% of Australia's population was foreign born, compared to 20.6% for Canada and 13% for the US.

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Old 08-16-2014, 04:14 AM
 
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For some context, in 2011 27% of Australia's population was foreign born, compared to 20.6% for Canada and 13% for the US.
Is 27% the latest figure for 2013? According to the census, in 2011 it's 24.6% overseas born (Birthplace | Australia | profile.id), and 30.7% in the Greater Capital Cities!

Top European country of origin for foreign born population, and % as total population:

Australia
UK 1,098,638 5.1% (20.1% of total Overseas born population)
New Zealand 483,376 2.2%
Italy 185,402 0.9%
Germany 108,001 0.5%
Greece 99,937 0.5%
Netherlands 76,048 0.4%
Ireland 67,315 0.3%
Croatia 48,828 0.2%
Poland 48,674 0.2%
Serbia/Montenegro 46,518 0.2%
Malta 41,273 0.2%

Canada
UK 537,040 1.6% (7.9% of total Overseas born population)
United States 263,475 0.8%
Italy 256,825 0.8%
Germany 152,345 0.5%
Poland 152,290 0.5%
Portugal 138,520 0.4%
Netherlands 98,510 0.3%
France 90,440 0.3%
Romania 82,595 0.3%
Russia 73,030 0.2%
Greece 66,475 0.2%

United States
(source: American FactFinder - Results *)
Mexico 11,599,653 3.7%
UK 939,877 0.3% (1,7% of the total Overseas born Population)
Canada 808,772 0.3%
Germany 617,070 0.2%
Poland 450,537 0.2%
Russia 391,101 0.1%
Ukraine 324,216 0.1%
Italy 368,699 0.1%
Portugal 186,142 0.1%
France 157,577 0.1%
Greece 136,914 0.1%
Ireland 128,496 0.1%
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Old 08-16-2014, 05:08 AM
 
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Is 27% the latest figure for 2013? According to the census, in 2011 it's 24.6% overseas born (Birthplace | Australia | profile.id), and 30.7% in the Greater Capital Cities!

Top European country of origin for foreign born population, and % as total population:

Australia
UK 1,098,638 5.1% (20.1% of total Overseas born population)
New Zealand 483,376 2.2%
Italy 185,402 0.9%
Germany 108,001 0.5%
Greece 99,937 0.5%
Netherlands 76,048 0.4%
Ireland 67,315 0.3%
Croatia 48,828 0.2%
Poland 48,674 0.2%
Serbia/Montenegro 46,518 0.2%
Malta 41,273 0.2%

Canada
UK 537,040 1.6% (7.9% of total Overseas born population)
United States 263,475 0.8%
Italy 256,825 0.8%
Germany 152,345 0.5%
Poland 152,290 0.5%
Portugal 138,520 0.4%
Netherlands 98,510 0.3%
France 90,440 0.3%
Romania 82,595 0.3%
Russia 73,030 0.2%
Greece 66,475 0.2%

United States
(source: American FactFinder - Results *)
Mexico 11,599,653 3.7%
UK 939,877 0.3% (1,7% of the total Overseas born Population)
Canada 808,772 0.3%
Germany 617,070 0.2%
Poland 450,537 0.2%
Russia 391,101 0.1%
Ukraine 324,216 0.1%
Italy 368,699 0.1%
Portugal 186,142 0.1%
France 157,577 0.1%
Greece 136,914 0.1%
Ireland 128,496 0.1%
The second most popular response to virtually every question in the Australian census is "no answer".
The actual responses to the question of where this person was born in the last census of Australia was
Australia 69.9%
Overseas 24.6%
No answer 5.5%.

So correctly Australia was somewhere between 24.6% and 30.1% foreign born in August 2011.
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Old 08-16-2014, 05:14 AM
 
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Is 27% the latest figure for 2013? According to the census, in 2011 it's 24.6% overseas born (Birthplace | Australia | profile.id), and 30.7% in the Greater Capital Cities! %
27% is the number quoted in ABS 2071.0 for 2011.

One the significant "hidden" aspects of Australia's immigrant population is the age profile of various groups. The 'average' European immigrant, including the UK, is someone around 60, so those number are going to change very dramatically over the next couple of decades.
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