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There are like 40 something countries in Europe,about half of them are pretty free,then you add Canada,Australia,and New Zealand to the list,that's about 27 or something.
Can I legally own a gun and concealed or open carry in any of them? Am I protected by law if someone tries to break into my house and I shoot them? I am anxious to hear about these places. Please share!
If working hard bothers you, maybe the United States is not the place for you.
You can always find a "socialist" European country where people take 2 months of vacation/year, work 30 hours a week and the Government takes half of your paycheck.
Have you thought about Sweden?- They are testing a 30 hour work week but you still get paid as if you worked 40. Sounds wonderful doesn't it?
Or better yet, you can try Zimbabwe, I hear they have a 0 hour workweek there.
Such a red herring argument. It's not a matter of disliking working hard, it's a matter of disliking my hard work being stolen from me in the form of confiscation through taxes, inflation, and a corrupt banking system.
Can I legally own a gun and concealed or open carry in any of them? Am I protected by law if someone tries to break into my house and I shoot them? I am anxious to hear about these places. Please share!
Obviously there has been some misunderstanding between you and me.
Can I legally own a gun and concealed or open carry in any of them? Am I protected by law if someone tries to break into my house and I shoot them? I am anxious to hear about these places. Please share!
I'm glad you brought up this point, as yet another reason I dislike America-
Our leaders do not respect or follow the law.
"…shall not be infringed."
is supposed to be the law.
It's pretty naive to think you'll be 'protected' if you shoot someone, for any reason. Unless your definition of 'protected' is 'arrested'.
Can I legally own a gun and concealed or open carry in any of them? Am I protected by law if someone tries to break into my house and I shoot them? I am anxious to hear about these places. Please share!
1. Depends on the country. For Austria: Yes, you can legally own a gun and yes, you can open carry/conceal them.
2. Yes, self-defense laws exist in pretty much every developed country.
Can I legally own a gun and concealed or open carry in any of them? Am I protected by law if someone tries to break into my house and I shoot them? I am anxious to hear about these places. Please share!
This makes you free? Sounds like you're a frightened caged animal. The other week, someone entered Justin Trudeau's home while he was away and his wife and children were sleeping. In case you don't know Justin is the leader of the Liberal party and many think he will be the next PM.
The intruder left a note surrounded by steak knives saying something to the effect that you shouldn't leave your doors unlocked.
Two things I want you to notice about the story. First, a leader of a major political party in Canada does not get security…it hasn't really been needed. This incident brought this up. Our PM of course does get security.
Second no alarm system had been set, so obviously the family felt pretty safe.
My point is that in OTHER countries the idea of NEEDING a gun to protect ourselves is not a sign of freedom, but lack of freedom.
I can own a gun in Canada if I want, however a hand gun for protection at home would probably NOT be allowed. I don't see this an infringement on my freedom. I see it as common sense for the common good.
Remember common good? Something that seems lacking in your me, me,me world.
The story about Justin kind of shocked Canadians. Someone walking into a politicians home and threatening them and his family was news.
Oh, the intruder. A neighbourhood teenager who was very drunk and thought it was a friends house and he thought he was being funny by leaving the note.
When the story broke he turned himself in. Apologized to Justin and his family, and everyone for causing this ruckus. The police did not lay charges.
Now if this happened in your house? How would of it ended? I wonder.
This makes you free? Sounds like you're a frightened caged animal. The other week, someone entered Justin Trudeau's home while he was a way and his wife and children were sleeping. In case you don't know Justin is the leader of the Liberal party and many think he will be the next PM.
The intruder left a note surrounded by steak knives saying something to the effect that you shouldn't leave your doors unlocked.
Two things I want you to notice about the story. First, a leader of a major political party in Canada does not get security…it hasn't really been needed. This incident brought this up. Our PM of course does get security.
Second no alarm system had been set, so obviously the family felt pretty safe.
My point is that in OTHER countries the idea of NEEDING a gun to protect ourselves is not a sign of freedom, but lack of freedom.
I can own a gun in Canada if I want, however a hand gun for protection at home would probably NOT be allowed. I don't see this an infringement on my freedom. I see it as common sense for the common good.
Remember common good? Something that seems lacking in your me, me,me world.
The story about Justin kind of shocked Canadians. Someone walking into a politicians home and threatening them and his family was news.
Oh, the intruder. A neighbourhood teenager who was very drunk and thought it was a friends house and he though he was being funny by leaving the note.
When the story broke he turned himself in. Apologized to Justin and his family, and everyone for causing this ruckus. The police did not lay charges.
Now if this happened in your house? How would of it ended? I wonder.
Repped ya for this one. Now we wait for a nonsense response in 3...2...1...
This makes you free? Sounds like you're a frightened caged animal. The other week, someone entered Justin Trudeau's home while he was away and his wife and children were sleeping. In case you don't know Justin is the leader of the Liberal party and many think he will be the next PM.
The intruder left a note surrounded by steak knives saying something to the effect that you shouldn't leave your doors unlocked.
Two things I want you to notice about the story. First, a leader of a major political party in Canada does not get security…it hasn't really been needed. This incident brought this up. Our PM of course does get security.
Second no alarm system had been set, so obviously the family felt pretty safe.
My point is that in OTHER countries the idea of NEEDING a gun to protect ourselves is not a sign of freedom, but lack of freedom.
I can own a gun in Canada if I want, however a hand gun for protection at home would probably NOT be allowed. I don't see this an infringement on my freedom. I see it as common sense for the common good.
Remember common good? Something that seems lacking in your me, me,me world.
The story about Justin kind of shocked Canadians. Someone walking into a politicians home and threatening them and his family was news.
Oh, the intruder. A neighbourhood teenager who was very drunk and thought it was a friends house and he thought he was being funny by leaving the note.
When the story broke he turned himself in. Apologized to Justin and his family, and everyone for causing this ruckus. The police did not lay charges.
Now if this happened in your house? How would of it ended? I wonder.
1. Gun laws make me more free from tyranny and from the momentary control of some creep who is trying to damage my property and/or physically harm me as a person.
The government restricting what firearms I have is something I understand, even as an American. The typical person doesn't need an AK-47. Yes, I'm using the common good argument, too... But restricting my ability to use a gun for defense is an infringement on my Constitutionally-granted freedom to be a member of a well-regulated militia. I'm fine with a background check and mandatory, occasional firearms training (since not all arms are guns), but I live full-time in California, and I think the firearms registration there is already way too extreme as it is. In most states, you undergo a small background check then buy the gun.
2. How the hell am I supposed to protect myself if I were to be met with such an aforementioned scenario? I can act in 10-15 seconds. The police will take 3-10 minutes to arrive. And guess what? The criminal can act in 10-15 seconds also.
3. Go to Orange County, Carlsbad, Bellevue, Oldham County, Hoover, Lake Minnetonka, or the countless, countless other middle- and upper-middle-class suburbs throughout America. Go to most small towns in Kentucky, Oklahoma, or West Virginia. You'll find crime rates that are "Canadian low," as I call it. Only in our inner cities and decrepit old industrial areas do people find such high crime rates.
4. The police didn't press charges against the man who broke into Justin Trudeau's home? Am I reading this correctly?! Screw the fact that the criminal apologized, he's still a criminal. Doesn't matter that he's a drunk kid from the neighborhood and he may even be an otherwise good person. He broke the law. Hell, I'm a great, very nice person, but I've received speeding tickets before (although I've never broken into someone's home!) Why? Because I deserved them and I was speeding excessively. It doesn't make me a bad person, even though I love the speed, it means that I just had to pay the consequence. So should this kid.
I'm living in The Netherlands right now. If someone breaks in and tries to harm me, I pretty much have to just run from the scene. Otherwise, admitted or suspected self-defense will result in my placement in jail, likely without bond, for several months as I await trail on charges of, more than likely, forceful assault. Granted, I know Canada's not nearly as extreme, and it's actually kind of a "midway" between the freer gun laws of the U.S. and stricter gun laws found throughout the E.U., but I think the liberal leaders in your country would love to take you in that direction, toward even stricter enforcement.
My appreciation of the Second Amendment, as well as that of many Americans, even those who identify as being left-of-center, is one thing that differentiates us as a country from Canada, South Korea, Japan, the EU, Mexico, South Africa, etc., etc. And I'm quite proud of that.
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I may not be keen on everyone in my street carrying a gun, but the anti-second amendment arguments here are absolutely dire.
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