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I have never read so much nonsense in my life before. I have purchased more than a few cars from dealerships in fair condition between $2000-$4000. Last month, My ex-girlfriend purchased a 2004 Toyota Sienna in almost perfect condition for $7000.
Just to prove you wrong, I did a search here in my area- zip code 50014. George White Chevrolet has a 2007 Chevrolet Cobalt for $1,850 and it is not a "suspicious car" since we have lemon laws here- a dealership with more than 50 years in business is not going to risk its reputation and sell you a car that won't start. That is against the law!
I'm rather surprised any American build car would do 134.543 miles without rattling apart. I'll just have to take your word for it this dealer is reliable. Anyway, that is not what I'd consider a decent used car. Those, at 2 to 4 years old with 20.000 - 30.000 miles are priced at nearly the new price.
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I just checked and you can buy a new BMW 320I sedan new for $32,750. In my state, you would have to pay another 8.3% in sales tax but no extra sales tax in Oregon.
I drive a BMW 750I which sells for $87,300 plus the 8.3% tax for the twin turbo 8 cylinder with 445 hp. For premium gas, I pay about $4 per gallon. So my gas for the car runs about $200/mo. From my experience living in Europe, it would be much more expensive in most European countries to buy and drive my car there. Also, I worked in Asia and it would be much more expensive there also. I also worked in Saudi Arabia and it would be a similar or less cost due to the very cheap gas.
I'm rather surprised any American build car would do 134.543 miles without rattling apart. I'll just have to take your word for it this dealer is reliable. Anyway, that is not what I'd consider a decent used car. Those, at 2 to 4 years old with 20.000 - 30.000 miles are priced at nearly the new price.
20 - 30 k??? You can barely call that a used car! that's allmost new. See, that's were you think wrong. The typical dutch bull**** they make you believe that anything over 100 k km would be crap. Any car with a descent engine can do far more than that. Especially american cars with mostly bigger engines are just starting to warm up around 100 k. I know from experience i can drive my Jeep far over 300 k without any problems as long as i maintain it well. It's only our small 3 cylinder crap that breaks down at only a 100 k.
I'm rather surprised any American build car would do 134.543 miles without rattling apart. I'll just have to take your word for it this dealer is reliable. Anyway, that is not what I'd consider a decent used car. Those, at 2 to 4 years old with 20.000 - 30.000 miles are priced at nearly the new price.
Your posts upset me because you make a lot of erroneous assumptions about the USA based on your limited experience here and you obviously have an anti-USA agenda.
I don't know anybody who would buy a car at Carmax these days because they have the worst reputation of all dealerships I know of.
They are a total ripoff and I would not consider them a standard dealership because they are not, they are an example of a horrible, corporate owned business modeled after Circuit City, the electronics store, which surprisingly is no longer in business because they sucked.
Many dealerships here in Iowa and other neighboring states are family-owned and have been for the last 80 years in some cases. Obviously, some are shady but in this time and age, all it takes is a few bad reviews online and you are DONE.
Do I trust any car dealership? For the most part, NO but you can't paint them all with the same brush.
Your posts upset me because you make a lot of erroneous assumptions about the USA based on your limited experience here and you obviously have an anti-USA agenda.
I don't know anybody who would buy a car at Carmax these days because they have the worst reputation of all dealerships I know of.
They are a total ripoff and I would not consider them a standard dealership because they are not, they are an example of a horrible, corporate owned business modeled after Circuit City, the electronics store, which surprisingly is no longer in business because they sucked.
Many dealerships here in Iowa and other neighboring states are family-owned and have been for the last 80 years in some cases. Obviously, some are shady but in this time and age, all it takes is a few bad reviews online and you are DONE.
Do I trust any car dealership? For the most part, NO but you can't paint them all with the same brush.
Just ignore him. His/her statements are so highly inaccurate and based on hate that should only be disregarded are laughed at....I feel sorry for people like that and hope they can get better.
Your posts upset me because you make a lot of erroneous assumptions about the USA based on your limited experience here and you obviously have an anti-USA agenda.
Let's be honest here, Americans are not exactly famous for building high quality cars or their engineering skills in general. The 'motor city' Detroit went bankrupt because nobody wants to buy American cars and nearly all American car manufacturers would have been bankrupt by now if they hadn't received a bailout from your government. You didn't really believe this 'America's the best', 'American exceptionalism' crap did you? You can blame me for bringing this up but it is really Americas poorly build cars for overinflated prices that is the problem.
Let's be honest here, Americans are not exactly famous for building high quality cars or their engineering skills in general. The 'motor city' Detroit went bankrupt because nobody wants to buy American cars and nearly all American car manufacturers would have been bankrupt by now if they hadn't received a bailout from your government. You didn't really believe this 'America's the best', 'American exceptionalism' crap did you? You can blame me for bringing this up but it is really Americas poorly build cars for overinflated prices that is the problem.
I have only owned two cars since I started to drive: A Ford Explorer and a Ford Ranger pick up truck, both were purchased in 1998 and lasted exactly 16 years.
Would a buy another Ford? Absolutely! But, I am also aware that a Toyota or a Honda would more value and are obviously more reliable. Would I buy an American car with over 100K miles? Probably not!
My ex-girlfriend bought at least 5 American cars with high miles in the last 15 years and they all crapped out on her. She just bought a Toyota Sienna and honestly, I doubt she will have some of the same problems.
Her last car was a Pontiac Grand Am and yes, Pontiacs were for the most part, ****ty cars, no wonder they are no longer in business.
I would not hesitate to buy a brand new Ford or Chevrolet though. They have come a long way.
Let's be honest here, Americans are not exactly famous for building high quality cars or their engineering skills in general. The 'motor city' Detroit went bankrupt because nobody wants to buy American cars and nearly all American car manufacturers would have been bankrupt by now if they hadn't received a bailout from your government. You didn't really believe this 'America's the best', 'American exceptionalism' crap did you? You can blame me for bringing this up but it is really Americas poorly build cars for overinflated prices that is the problem.
Eh. Many American built cars (esp Ford) are considered more reliable in the sense of costly breakdowns than German cars, which drive nicely but have a tendency to break down
Let's be honest here, Americans are not exactly famous for building high quality cars or their engineering skills in general. The 'motor city' Detroit went bankrupt because nobody wants to buy American cars and nearly all American car manufacturers would have been bankrupt by now if they hadn't received a bailout from your government. You didn't really believe this 'America's the best', 'American exceptionalism' crap did you? You can blame me for bringing this up but it is really Americas poorly build cars for overinflated prices that is the problem.
Americans are famous for engineering skills and some of the greatest construction projects of the last 100 years have been American designs. Also, all of the top engineering universities worldwide are American.
American car manufacturers did have poor quality for many years and deserve the problems they created for themselves because of that. Now they have improved to the level of the world scale imho. They still need to improve more...I don't think any American car can match the car I drive (BMW 750I) but if/when they do, I will switch to that car. Current American cars can be driven at least 300,000 KM with proper maintenance.
BTW, although Schipol is my favorite European airport and KLM my most favorite European airline, I don't recall any Netherland cars and famous engineering projects. My company maintains an engineering office in Netherlands but they are still working for an American company.
Americans are famous for engineering skills and some of the greatest construction projects of the last 100 years have been American designs. Also, all of the top engineering universities worldwide are American.
American engineering skills are generally considered far inferior to European, Japanese or even Chinese engineering skills. We actually don't have anything 'made in the USA' over here in Europe except for a few cars which get bought by collectors, whereas there are plenty of things from those other regions.
And superior American universities? Maybe according to some American metric. Just like the British believe Oxford or Cambridge are the best. Germany and Switzerland produce the best engineers but certainly not the US.
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