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Old 11-09-2014, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Stockholm
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Bill Maher had better never visit Sweden. He is a left wing liberal but he is highly critical of Islam and has said stuff like this and worse.

Now you said, most of Europe. Is most of Europe as restrictive as Sweden when it comes to free speech?
Yes, some even more. Not Denmark so much though, its much harder to get sentenced for hate speech there than in Sweden, the Danes have a more liberal stance on free speech, and has much less taboos than Sweden.
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Old 11-09-2014, 06:59 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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I personally just see that the U.S. representative system created a system of representation that gives a lot of power to rural folk and underpopulated States, so therefore in a Federal way, states like Mississippi and tons of southern states have immense leveraging power against the larger and much more liberal population centers in the U.S. like New York, California, Massachussetts, etc.
Remember, the South is quite thickly populated. Population is population whether they live in a couple huge cities or a bunch of small towns. Texas has more people than NY, GA has more than Mass. KY is the same as CN and RI combined. Etc. The USA is almost 50/50 in reliable Democrat vs Republican votes for president. The undecided 10% is what gets all the focus
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Old 11-09-2014, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE
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In fact, in some cases, it's more right-winged than USA. For example, many Brits think that the government should have stricter control of immigration. Many people here, US, think that if your against immigration, you are racist. Another thing is that maybe Christianity is decreasing in Western Europe...but Christianity is getting popular in Russia, Hungary, and Croatia according to the website below. US isn't the only place where we have plain people like Amish...Europe still has Dutch Calvinists, Scandinavian Laestadians, British Brethrens and ect.

Faith Rising in East, Setting in West? Europe and Christianity

If you compare North America and Europe, the opinions about gay marriage is the same. 50% of people in both continents support gay marriage. I know that Europe is moderately liberal...but I think the media makes it look like extreme left-wingers...which is not true!
I don't think of immigration or homosexuality as being "left vs right" type of issues. I limit "left vs right" to economics. A left-wing government can be very "culturally conservative." For example, in the Soviet Union, immigration was quite restricted and homosexuality was illegal, but the economy (of course) was socialist. A contemporary example is Belarus.

I think the main reason that ordinary Americans are so pro-immigration is because the US is a settler state filled with the descendants of recent immigrants from the past 100-200 years. The European countries, on the other hand, are mostly homelands of indigenous peoples. Naturally, the Old World nations find immigration to be a greater danger to their continued existence and are therefore more in favor or strict immigration restrictions. The fact that Brussels has opened up the borders is undoubtedly a major reason why more and more Europeans are turning against the EU.
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Old 11-09-2014, 10:27 PM
 
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In fact, in some cases, it's more right-winged than USA. For example, many Brits think that the government should have stricter control of immigration. Many people here, US, think that if your against immigration, you are racist. Another thing is that maybe Christianity is decreasing in Western Europe...but Christianity is getting popular in Russia, Hungary, and Croatia according to the website below. US isn't the only place where we have plain people like Amish...Europe still has Dutch Calvinists, Scandinavian Laestadians, British Brethrens and ect.

Faith Rising in East, Setting in West? Europe and Christianity

If you compare North America and Europe, the opinions about gay marriage is the same. 50% of people in both continents support gay marriage. I know that Europe is moderately liberal...but I think the media makes it look like extreme left-wingers...which is not true!


I hate this type of argument. Hyperbolic statements. Stating the obvious. And using stereotypes to explain away stereotypes. Lame.

"For example, many Brits think that the government should have stricter control of immigration. Many people here, US, think that if your against immigration, you are racist. "

A large majority of Americans think that the US gov. should have stricter control of immigration.

You could flip the words 'Brits' and 'many people here, US" around and it'd still work as a statement. Because it's not exactly true.
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:01 PM
 
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Oh, so you admit that Hollywood (which is liberal) is evil...but you can't admit that liberalism itself is evil? Why is that?
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Old 11-10-2014, 06:05 AM
 
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In fact, in some cases, it's more right-winged than USA. For example, many Brits think that the government should have stricter control of immigration. Many people here, US, think that if your against immigration, you are racist. Another thing is that maybe Christianity is decreasing in Western Europe...but Christianity is getting popular in Russia, Hungary, and Croatia according to the website below. US isn't the only place where we have plain people like Amish...Europe still has Dutch Calvinists, Scandinavian Laestadians, British Brethrens and ect.

Faith Rising in East, Setting in West? Europe and Christianity

If you compare North America and Europe, the opinions about gay marriage is the same. 50% of people in both continents support gay marriage. I know that Europe is moderately liberal...but I think the media makes it look like extreme left-wingers...which is not true!
I think the US and Europe are not comparable, it's like comparing the taste of an orange with the taste of a peach

what you consider right wing in the US, is not the same as what is considered right wing in europe and what you call left is not the same as left here in europe

it's all relative!!!!

the two societies are completely different with different ideas and concepts of things.
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Old 11-10-2014, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Ohio, USA
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In fact, in some cases, it's more right-winged than USA. For example, many Brits think that the government should have stricter control of immigration. Many people here, US, think that if your against immigration, you are racist. Another thing is that maybe Christianity is decreasing in Western Europe...but Christianity is getting popular in Russia, Hungary, and Croatia according to the website below. US isn't the only place where we have plain people like Amish...Europe still has Dutch Calvinists, Scandinavian Laestadians, British Brethrens and ect.

Faith Rising in East, Setting in West? Europe and Christianity

If you compare North America and Europe, the opinions about gay marriage is the same. 50% of people in both continents support gay marriage. I know that Europe is moderately liberal...but I think the media makes it look like extreme left-wingers...which is not true!
You don't live in Europe so you don't know how left or right wing Europe actually is.

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Old 11-10-2014, 07:05 AM
 
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... I know that Europe is moderately liberal...but I think the media makes it look like extreme left-wingers...which is not true!
Ah, yes. Another media conspiracy!!!

The reason so many Americans think Europeans are "extreme left-wingers" is that they know few if any European, and their knowledge of Europe is largely based on the reactionary Right Wing stereotypes pumped out by the usual suspects.
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Old 11-10-2014, 08:24 AM
 
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Something as massive, diverse and complex as Europe CANNOT be simplified into liberal/conservative based on the perception Americans have of what both are!!!!

Conservatism in Europe IS VERY different from conservatism in the US and liberalism in Europe is VERY different from liberalism in the US!!!!

UNDERSTAND the US and Europe are NOT the same thing, its like comparing a watermelon and with a kilo of plums!
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Old 11-10-2014, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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I think the US and Europe are not comparable, it's like comparing the taste of an orange with the taste of a peach

what you consider right wing in the US, is not the same as what is considered right wing in europe and what you call left is not the same as left here in europe

it's all relative!!!!

the two societies are completely different with different ideas and concepts of things.
Yeah, basically.

The problem with this liberal vs. conservative idea is that it is so one-dimensional that it's painfully hard to endure when someone defines themself as strictly one or the other. It's like choosing a political cookie cutter. 'I don't want to come to my own conclusion about this issue, what's the approved preconceived stance according to the liberal/conservative handbook?'

There are totally different approaches to everything on both continents. It just so happens that Europe's approaches often tend to be far more to the left of what occurs in the USA.
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