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View Poll Results: Which city is more powerful?
New York City 99 55.93%
London 78 44.07%
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Old 11-24-2014, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Westminster, London
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Ipsos Mori - World's Most Popular Cities Global Survey

New York is the world's most popular city
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Both of these have already been listed.

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To save time from posting individual rankings, there are 206 city surveys and Jones Lang LaSalle compounded all of them and overall, New York is the winner.

http://www.jll.com/Research/jll-city...ember-2013.pdf
Good find. This is actually a large systematic review of dozens of global city indices, including those we've accrued so far. Most of the references are actually regional studies that aren't relevant to the topic, and many are out of date. Even if they weren't, they don't really show that New York is the "winner".

This is what the data actually shows. I've used updated data wherever possible and excluded regional studies, irrelevant esoterica such as flood vulnerability and indices we've already covered:



Global Location Trends (Economy, Investment, Brand Appeal) - IBM, 2014

1. London
2. Paris
3. Singapore
4. Amsterdam
5. Chicago
6. Barcelona
7. Shanghai
8. Moscow
9. Dublin
10. Mexico City

How Global is the Business of Retail? (City Retailer Representation) - CBRE 2013

1. London
2. Dubai
3. Paris
4= Moscow
4= New York
6. Hong Kong
7. Madrid
8= Beijing
8= Kuwait City
10 Shanghai

State of the World's Cities (Productivity, Quality of Life, Infrastructure) - UN Habitat, 2013

1. Vienna
2= London
2= New York

2= Stockholm
2= Toronto

Scorecard on Prosperity (Economy, Global Attractiveness, Transport) - Toronto Board of Trade, 2014

1. Paris
2. Calgary
3. Toronto
4. Oslo
5. London
6. Stockholm
7. Seattle
8. Sydney
9. San Francisco
10. Boston

Global Urban Competitiveness Project (GDP per capita, Productivity, International Firms) - 2012

1. New York
2. London

3. Tokyo
4. Paris
5. San Francisco
6. Chicago
7. Los Angeles
8. Singapore
9. Hong Kong
10. Seoul

Ranking Global Cities (Economy, Technology, Intellectual Capital) - Martin Prosperity Institute, 2014

1. Ottawa-Gatineau
2. Seattle
3. Oslo
4. Amsterdam
5. District of Columbia
6. Copenhagen
7. London
8. Tel Aviv-Jaffa
9. Calgary
10. New York

Office Space Across the World (Most Expensive Office Locations) - Cushman & Wakefield (2014)

1. London
2. Hong Kong
3. Moscow
4. Beijing
5. Tokyo
6. New York
7. Rio De Janeiro
8. New Delhi
9. Paris
10. Sydney

Industrial Space Across the World (Most Expensive Industrial Locations) - Cushman & Wakefield (2011)

1. London
2. Tokyo
3. Geneva
4. Singapore
5. Sydney
6. Hong Kong
7. San Francisco
8. Helsinki
9. Oslo
10. Paris

Main Streets Across the World (Retail Rental Performance) - Cushman & Wakefield, 2014

1. Causeway Bay (Hong Kong)
2. Fifth Avenue (New York)
3. Central (Hong Kong)
4. Times Square (New York)
5. Tsim Sha Tsui (Hong Kong)
6. Avenue des Champs-Élysées (Paris)
7. East 57th Street (New York)
8. Madison Avenue (New York)
9. New Bond Street (London)

10. Ginza (Tokyo)

Sea Turtle Index (Returns on International Education Investment) - EIU Bank of Communications, 2010

1. Montreal
2. London
3. Hong Kong
4. Toronto
5. Cambridge
6. Oxford
7. Boston
8. Sydney
9. Zurich
10. New York

Competitive Alternatives (Business Costs) - KPMG, 2014

8. (Europe) London 99.9
21. (NE US) New York 103.6


Consulting People Risk Index (Recruitment/Relocation Risk) - AON, 2013

1. New York
2. Singapore
3. Toronto
4= London
4= Montreal
6. Los Angeles
7= Copenhagen
7= Hong Kong
9. Zurich
10. Vancouver

Top City Destinations (International Tourism) - Euromonitor International, 2014

1. Hong Kong
2. Singapore
3. Bangkok
4. London
5. Macau
6. Kuala Lumpur
7. Shenzhen
8. New York
9. Antalya
10. Paris

Innovation Cities (Economic and Social Innovation) - 2thinknow Consulting, 2014

1. San Francisco-San Jose
2= New York
2= London
2= Boston
2= Paris
2= Vienna
2= Munich
8= Amsterdam
8= Copenhagen
10. Seattle

Best Student Cities - QS, 2014

1. London
2. Paris
3. Seoul
4. New York
5. Tokyo
6. Boston
7. Hong Kong
8. Chicago
9. San Francisco
10. Melbourne

Commuter Pain Survey (Commuting Experience) - IBM, 2011

1. Montreal
2. London
3. Chicago
4. Stockholm
5. Toronto
6. New York
7. Madrid
8. Paris
9. Los Angeles
10. Buenos Aires

Spatially Adjusted Liveability Index - EIU Best Cities, 2012

1. Hong Kong
2. Amsterdam
3. Osaka
4. Paris
5. Sydney
...
12. London
16. New York

Infrastructure survey (Subset of Quality of Living Survey) - Mercer Consulting, 2012

1. Singapore
2. Frankfurt
3. Munich
5. Düsseldorf
6= London
6= Hong Kong

Ultimate Sports Cities - SportBusiness Group, 2012

1. London
2. Melbourne
3. Sydney
4. New York
5. Manchester

Exhibition and Museum Attendance -
The Art Newspaper, 2013

1. Louvre (Paris)
2. British Museum (London)
3. Metropolitan Museum of Art (New York)
4. National Gallery (London)

5. Vatican Museums (Vatican City)
6. Tate Modern (London)
7. National Palace Museum (Taipei)
8. National Gallery of Art (Washington DC)
9. Centre Pompidou (Paris)
10. Musée d'Orsay (Paris)

Fashion Capitals - Global Language Monitor, 2013

1. New York
2. Paris
3. London
4. Los Angeles
5. Barcelona
6. Rome
7. Berlin
8. Sydney
9. Antwerp
10. Shanghai

Scientific Reports, Characterising Scientific Production and Consumption in Physics (Physics Research) - Nature, 2013

1. Boston
2. Berkeley
3. Los Angeles
4. Tokyo
5. Chicago
6. Paris
7. Princeton
8. Rome
9. Piscataway
10. London

Business School rankings - Financial Times, 2014

1. Harvard Business School
2. Stanford Graduate School of Business
3. London Business School
4. University of Pennsylvania: Wharton
5= Columbia Business School
5= Insead
7. IESE Business School
8. MIT: Sloan
9. University of Chicago: Booth
10. Yale School of Management

Academic Ranking of World Universities - Shanghai Ranking Consultancy, 2014

1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. MIT
4. UC Berkeley
5. Cambridge
6. Princeton
7. Caltech
8. Columbia
9. University of Chicago
10. Oxford

World University Rankings - QS, 2014

1. MIT
2. Cambridge
3. Imperial College London
4. Harvard
5. University College London
6. Oxford
7. Stanford
8. Caltech
9. Princeton
10. Yale
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Old 11-24-2014, 05:26 PM
 
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Ranking London ahead of New York in sports is laughable. New York has NBA, MLB, NHL, and NFL teams, and for the minority who do like soccer, we have two soccer teams, as well. New York is also home to the headquarters of each one of those leagues.

Also, London might have more expensive office space, but New York has much more office space to fill.
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Old 11-24-2014, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Great Lakes Region
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Ranking London ahead of New York in sports is laughable. New York has NBA, MLB, NHL, and NFL teams, and for the minority who do like soccer, we have two soccer teams, as well. New York is also home to the headquarters of each one of those leagues.

Also, London might have more expensive office space, but New York has much more office space to fill.
This is all true. I'd venture to say New York has a LOT more office space, it wouldn't even be close if listed side by side. I'm sure someone here can produce the numbers.

I'm not sure how London is ahead in sports either? New York is so big it has at least one of every professional sports team we have in the United States and probably higher attendance to boot.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Wilmington, DE
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^yep but those Whites are very, very multicultural considering we're on Europe (and by extension Middle East)'s doorstep, from Georgians to Greeks, Iraqis to Irish. Race is not the defining factor in Europe (rather, it's more class divided).

You do get that a French speaking French person in London is more multicultural than a Black American in NYC (read: they're still as American, and have been for umpteen generations regardless of race - I don't get why some Americans don't get that)?

London is more evenly split internationally - NYC has good representation among East Asians, Caribbeans, Latin Americans, whereas London has good representation for South Asians, Europeans, Africans, Middle Easterners, Caribbeans and Oceanians - and the remainder although alot lower than NYC's equivalent, are still high ( 300,000 East Asians and 200,000 Latin Americans).
Race may not be as big a dividing factor in Europe, but it still exists. And it most definitely is the defining factor here in America (one drop rule).

As far as multiculturalism, I'd still say race is more important for diversity than language--a French speaking white man is still a white man, having all the privilege that that entails. How many white, French ghettoes are there in London? I'd also disagree that he's more multicultural than a black American in NYC--there's significant differences in culture between 'Black America' and mainstream 'White America'. The differences between Anglo and Franco-phone cultures is less pronounced, in my opinion.

Finally, NYC also has good representation of South Asians, Europeans, Africans and Middle Easterners, though--what you find in London, you will also find in decent to large numbers in NYC (Nigerians, Jamaicans, Russians, Pakistanis, etc). NYC has what London has, and then some (Chinese, Dominicans, Mexicans) that you don't find in as high numbers in London.
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Wilmington, DE
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white in America is not the same as white in Europe

while white in America means an American who is white, in Europe white is pretty much irrelevant, no one would say in Europe that their ethnicity or culture is white like they do in America!!!

If you go to NYC the vast majority of white people is pretty much Americans, and then you have some tourists or european expats but that is largely a minority..... you go to london and the vast majority of white people you see, its nationals from all over the UK, all over Europe (spain, france, italy, germany, ireland, greece, etc.), australians, new zealanders, whites from africa, whites from south america, whites from canada and the USA etc.

the same applies to blacks, you go out in london and you're next to zimbabwean, a zambian, a south african black, a nigerian, a jamaican and so on..... that doesnt happen in NYC, most blacks around NYC are either American blacks or blacks from the nearby caribbean. I remember I was with an african friend of mine in NYC who couldn't even find an african supermarket, only after he searched the internet he found an african store in some obscure street far away in queens.... in london just go to the east end and you'll have dozens of all kind of african street markets, shopping malls, beauty parlors, restaurants etc.

London is honestly way way way more diverse than any place in the US
Europe, though still racial, isn't as obsessed with race as Americans are, so I'll grant you that point.

As far as whites and blacks in NYC, it's the same thing with regards to nationalities. You have Jamaican, Dominican, black American, Trinidadian, Nigerian, etc. For whites, you have Spanish, French, Canadian, British, Germans, Irish, Italians, etc. There's tons of Africans in NYC, so your story is just a personal anecdote--I've found African stores quite easily.

Both cities are incredibly multicultural and diverse. NYC just has what London has, and has better world representation in a more balanced ratio (and whiteness is not irrelevant, even in Europe).
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Old 11-24-2014, 10:59 PM
 
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Europe, though still racial, isn't as obsessed with race as Americans are, so I'll grant you that point.

As far as whites and blacks in NYC, it's the same thing with regards to nationalities. You have Jamaican, Dominican, black American, Trinidadian, Nigerian, etc. For whites, you have Spanish, French, Canadian, British, Germans, Irish, Italians, etc. There's tons of Africans in NYC, so your story is just a personal anecdote--I've found African stores quite easily.

Both cities are incredibly multicultural and diverse. NYC just has what London has, and has better world representation in a more balanced ratio (and whiteness is not irrelevant, even in Europe).
come on, I lived in NYC for four years

the french, italians, irish etc, you meet in NYC are 95% of the time, AMERICANS telling you their great grand pa's dog's sister's husbands was irish so therefore they're irish, or they're 8% french so yeah they're french!

while in london the french, italian, irish, dutch, german, spaniard you meet are ACTUAL people born and raised in those countries who move to london

and whiteness in europe is irrelevant, white/black/hispanic matter in America, that is american in history.... europe functions differently, here no one will tell you their culture is white, or their heritage is white (europeans are not americans), a european will tell you their ethnicity is flemish, swiss german, bavarian, scottish, catalan, occitanian and so on.
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Old 11-26-2014, 05:40 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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What a ridiculous thread. Both cities are too big and expensive to mean anything to the average person. Thus they attract scum like all those finance industry thugs. Really good cities are much smaller. And that is where good, intelligent people go.
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Old 11-26-2014, 06:02 AM
 
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I'm not sure how London is ahead in sports either? New York is so big it has at least one of every professional sports team we have in the United States and probably higher attendance to boot.
You shouldn't really be so surprised. London plays host to thirteen professional football teams (and countless others), some of which are famous around the world and have massive fan-bases. I'd wager the likes of Jose Mourinho and Arsene Wenger are more well known world-wide than the coaches of the Knicks or Jets. And that's before we get on to the players. And Wembley Stadium is arguably the most famous stadium of any kind in the world.

London also hosts the worlds oldest and most prestigious tennis tournament at Wimbledon every year, and is also home to Twickenham (Rugby), plus The Oval and Lord's Cricket Grounds, all of which are world-reknowned.

Finally, London is the only city to have hosted the Olympic Games three times - 1908, 1948 and, of course, the hugely successful event of 2012.

We even host part of the Tour de France


Does pretty well on this list too: http://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/london-...2014-1.1771292
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Old 11-26-2014, 02:04 PM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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You shouldn't really be so surprised. London plays host to thirteen professional football teams (and countless others), some of which are famous around the world and have massive fan-bases. I'd wager the likes of Jose Mourinho and Arsene Wenger are more well known world-wide than the coaches of the Knicks or Jets. And that's before we get on to the players. And Wembley Stadium is arguably the most famous stadium of any kind in the world.

London also hosts the worlds oldest and most prestigious tennis tournament at Wimbledon every year, and is also home to Twickenham (Rugby), plus The Oval and Lord's Cricket Grounds, all of which are world-reknowned.

Finally, London is the only city to have hosted the Olympic Games three times - 1908, 1948 and, of course, the hugely successful event of 2012.

We even host part of the Tour de France


Does pretty well on this list too: London named world's best sporting city 2014 | CTV News
On top of that, London has hosted a series of regular season US National Football League games since 2007. The NFL calls it the "International Series", but every single game so far has been played in London, at Wembley Stadium. There is also talk of London hosting a Super Bowl game.

Another example, then, of how New York/US power overflows into London, making London that much greater.

I love it!


By the way, according to Cushman & Wakefield Research, London is the most expensive office market in the world, New York is sixth, honing in on the main business districts in the West End and midtown. I could not easily find statistics for total commercial space, but again, it would have to be an apples to apples comparison which may not be, in fact, easy.

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Old 11-26-2014, 02:57 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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come on, I lived in NYC for four years

the french, italians, irish etc, you meet in NYC are 95% of the time, AMERICANS telling you their great grand pa's dog's sister's husbands was irish so therefore they're irish, or they're 8% french so yeah they're french!

while in london the french, italian, irish, dutch, german, spaniard you meet are ACTUAL people born and raised in those countries who move to london

and whiteness in europe is irrelevant, white/black/hispanic matter in America, that is american in history.... europe functions differently, here no one will tell you their culture is white, or their heritage is white (europeans are not americans), a european will tell you their ethnicity is flemish, swiss german, bavarian, scottish, catalan, occitanian and so on.
What I've come to realise about the USA after reading articles ect is that the US generally isn't more race obsessed but more able to talk about the issue with ''race'' e.g. people are less scared to speak up while in Europe Non-Whites DO feel targeting in the sense that they will never really more seen as ''European'' and part of the Country's mainstream culture.

Europe doesn't function that dramatically to the US because both are white dominated societies where Non-whites are either looked down on or oppressed subconsciously..
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