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Old 02-08-2015, 11:27 PM
 
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Barack Obama the World Best political Leader over the Past 50 Years

Nice joke.
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:37 PM
 
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Non-leadership is not a good thing. This is not a plus and is such a disaster that we don't have to wait for history to be the judge- it is universally regarded as a disaster in our times.
A disaster? Russian provocations pushing its neighbors away from it and towards NATO is a disaster? Western allies cooperating to exert economic pressure on Russia is universally regarded as a disaster? You must spend too much time watching RT.

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His premature withdrawal has allowed it to become a terrorist haven. We still have troops in Japan, Germany and Korea, for Christ's sake. Pulling out of Iraq was an enormous strategic mistake, whether you agreed with the initial invasion or not.

We are back in Iraq, by the way, if you did not know.
You're going with Cheney on Iraq being the next Japan/Germany/Korea? The Iraq war was a strategic disaster. Withdrawing combat troops was the only sane option. There are ~3,100 U.S. troops slated for service in Iraq. This is very much unlike the 146,000 present in Iraq at the end of Bush's presidency.

Terrorism in Iraq started with the insurgency, way back in 2003.

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And the last article I read on the subject said that they are now building new reactors. Excellent job letting them get the bomb. If World War 3 is going to start, it is going to because Israel has to do what our president did not have the guts to do, and stop Iran (just the same as they bombed reactors in Iraq and Syria).
The last article you read is apparently neglected to mention that new Iranian reactors are permitted under the interim deal between Iran and the P5+1.

US intelligence experts have been quoted as saying that Israel has already missed its window of opportunity to substantially slow Iran's nuclear program. It would be silly for the United States or Israel to attempt to stop the Iranian nuclear program by force. The last dozen years of occupation in Afghanistan and Iraq warns of ill-fated land wars in the modern Middle East.

Negotiation is the only sane path forward.

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A compete non-issue designed to thumb the eye of Republican Cuban supporters.
More like the long overdue beginning of the end of five decades of failed policy. Cuba will become an opportunity--perhaps like Vietnam is emerging as a new partner for American commerce, in spite of political and historical problems.

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It took him six years to generate a recovery comparable to the one Mr. Reagan built in a little over two, and Reagan had the worse economic conditions. This is because what Obama did was absolutely the wrong thing. The economy is recovering in spite of him. But don't go sweeping up any pots yet. Real unemployment is still much higher than at any time in the Bush administration- even at the end. The numbers look good because tens of millions of people have left the work force, and are no longer being counted. THS IS WHY DEMOCRATIC PARTY POWER IS AT AN ALL TIME HISTORIC LOW NOT SEEN SINCE THE CIVIL WAR. In a way this is good. There will be a very clear dichotomy now for future recessions of whether we want to go the Reagan route, or the Obama/Roosevelt route. It is good education for the Republic.
Obama's inherited economy was worse than that of Reagan. Many of the people leaving the workforce are retirees. There are more of those now than there were in the Reagan era. But, if you've been paying attention to the jobs reports, the discouraged have been returning to the work force (that's why there have been some months with an uptick in unemployment rate in spite of six figure job creation numbers).

I see the President's poll numbers rising. When he leaves office, assuming no true scandal, no new land war, and no new recession, 2016 will be a new Democratic wave.

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One of the most unpopular programs in history, as the rest of us have seen our premiums and deductibles skyrocket to pay for the dead beats. The damage that Obamacare has done is just beginning, and will help to cement the Republican majority future as doctors continue to leave the field since they can't make any money.
That's more than a little bit of an overstatement. Doctors are not leaving medicine because of Obamacare. 25% of doctors are over 60. They are leaving the field to retire. In fact, doctors have increased positive feeling about their profession from 2012 to 2014. http://www.physiciansfoundation.org/...vey_Report.pdf

Ordinary citizens positively rate almost every major aspect of Obamacare, except for the mandate. And people who know more about Obamacare like it better than those who don't know much about it.

Premiums and deductibles vary. For some they are better, for others they are worse, and for others they are about the same.

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By the way, the "millions" that have received coverage is another smoke-and-mirrors numbers. For one thing, a lot of the expanded coverage is in name only, since it mostly comes from an expansion of Medicare, and doctors are increasingly not seeing Medicare patients. Secondly, a lot of the so called new enrollees are only replacing coverage that they had. Finally, it was revealed that white house has been cheating on the numbers by including people signing up for dental insurance at having new medical coverage.
The number of Americans without insurance has fallen dramatically. That is really not in question at this point. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/us...hows.html?_r=0
Number of Uninsured Americans Near Record Low

And most doctors see Medicare patients.

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All of which will be moot, buy the by, if the supreme court rules the law unconstitutional (it is up for review again, if you did not know). It only passed last time because the court narrowly saw the mandate as being a tax- ONE OF THE LARGEST TAX INCREASES IN HISTORY.

Good job Barry! On being the worst president that this country has ever seen.
One member of the Court made a very political decision to depart from long-standing precedent and uphold the mandate as a tax. The other four who supported the mandate's constitutionality would simply have used the tried and true method: Commerce power + Necessary and Proper Power.

And we shall see what comes of Burwell. But polling points to Americans wanting Congress to repair Obamacare if the Court kills subsidies on the federal exchanges.

Sorry the facts don't agree with you.
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Old 02-11-2015, 02:06 AM
 
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I think he's a lame duck president with a seedy background, or at least from what we've know of it. It's only because of the novelty value of him being non-white (and the fact that you have a particularly ignorant millennial generation in the US) that his disastrous domestic policies and non-influence in the foreign policy world are being overlooked.
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Old 02-11-2015, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Move to politics and controversies, Thanks.
This thread actually belongs in the joke forum.... or is that being redundant?
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Old 02-11-2015, 03:57 PM
 
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I think he's a lame duck president with a seedy background, or at least from what we've know of it. It's only because of the novelty value of him being non-white (and the fact that you have a particularly ignorant millennial generation in the US) that his disastrous domestic policies and non-influence in the foreign policy world are being overlooked.
which of his domestic policies have been disastrous ?
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Old 02-11-2015, 04:45 PM
 
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Obama ROCKS... love him!!!
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Old 02-11-2015, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Greater NYC, USA
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He did not engage in a blind provocation against Russia knowing that the outcome would be disastrous to world peace.
He brought American troops back from Iraq ( he opposed the iIraq invasion when he was a senator)
He did not invade Iran as some wished.
He did soften relations with Cuba
Back home he did a good job by fostering job growth policies , he gave health insurance to millions of Americans.

let's elect him again !
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Old 02-11-2015, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Greater NYC, USA
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A disaster? Russian provocations pushing its neighbors away from it and towards NATO is a disaster? Western allies cooperating to exert economic pressure on Russia is universally regarded as a disaster? You must spend too much time watching RT.



You're going with Cheney on Iraq being the next Japan/Germany/Korea? The Iraq war was a strategic disaster. Withdrawing combat troops was the only sane option. There are ~3,100 U.S. troops slated for service in Iraq. This is very much unlike the 146,000 present in Iraq at the end of Bush's presidency.

Terrorism in Iraq started with the insurgency, way back in 2003.



The last article you read is apparently neglected to mention that new Iranian reactors are permitted under the interim deal between Iran and the P5+1.

US intelligence experts have been quoted as saying that Israel has already missed its window of opportunity to substantially slow Iran's nuclear program. It would be silly for the United States or Israel to attempt to stop the Iranian nuclear program by force. The last dozen years of occupation in Afghanistan and Iraq warns of ill-fated land wars in the modern Middle East.

Negotiation is the only sane path forward.



More like the long overdue beginning of the end of five decades of failed policy. Cuba will become an opportunity--perhaps like Vietnam is emerging as a new partner for American commerce, in spite of political and historical problems.



Obama's inherited economy was worse than that of Reagan. Many of the people leaving the workforce are retirees. There are more of those now than there were in the Reagan era. But, if you've been paying attention to the jobs reports, the discouraged have been returning to the work force (that's why there have been some months with an uptick in unemployment rate in spite of six figure job creation numbers).

I see the President's poll numbers rising. When he leaves office, assuming no true scandal, no new land war, and no new recession, 2016 will be a new Democratic wave.



That's more than a little bit of an overstatement. Doctors are not leaving medicine because of Obamacare. 25% of doctors are over 60. They are leaving the field to retire. In fact, doctors have increased positive feeling about their profession from 2012 to 2014. http://www.physiciansfoundation.org/...vey_Report.pdf

Ordinary citizens positively rate almost every major aspect of Obamacare, except for the mandate. And people who know more about Obamacare like it better than those who don't know much about it.

Premiums and deductibles vary. For some they are better, for others they are worse, and for others they are about the same.



The number of Americans without insurance has fallen dramatically. That is really not in question at this point. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/16/us...hows.html?_r=0
Number of Uninsured Americans Near Record Low

And most doctors see Medicare patients.



One member of the Court made a very political decision to depart from long-standing precedent and uphold the mandate as a tax. The other four who supported the mandate's constitutionality would simply have used the tried and true method: Commerce power + Necessary and Proper Power.

And we shall see what comes of Burwell. But polling points to Americans wanting Congress to repair Obamacare if the Court kills subsidies on the federal exchanges.

Sorry the facts don't agree with you.
He most definitely provoked Russia causing the violence in Ukraine.
He re-invaded Iraq again. I always thought Invading Iraq was a fun solution to all problems. I am sure that the next president will also invade iraq again !

I stopped reading the discussion past #2
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Old 02-12-2015, 08:46 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Looks like Obama is about to go kick some more ISIL ass now.
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Old 02-12-2015, 01:46 PM
 
Location: West Florida
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It's not a nitpick. The OP's title declared something as "the best", having made no meaningful effort to identify more than a tiny handful of other potential claimants to the honor. Even though his choice as "the best" is nearly the only contender for which we have no relevant historical perspective by which to judge the residue of his deeds, and should be disqualified from consideration for that reason alone.


No he didn't give anything to anybody. He forced millions of Americans, under threat of penalty, to buy, with their own money, an insurance product from a for-profit corporation owned by tax-evading billionaires..


He's invading Syria as we speak. Many world leaders are not, nor have they invaded any country.



Every other world leader already did, decades ago. And I mean EVERY one of them, except US presidents still terrified of the ghost of the late Jesse Helms..

Considering ISIL and all, how is this a bad thing?
Blowing up Baghdad and killing Saddam made no sense.
Fighting ISIL makes PERFECT sense.
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