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Old 02-12-2015, 04:03 PM
 
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Obama ...world's best political leader in past 50 years?

I'd think this will be the assessment

When history and historians looks back at the Obama stewardship of the United States of America in the early 21st the assessment will be that he had arguably set back American foreigh policy on the global stage for the next 50 years. At that last he'd probably be called out on having the United States losing the initiative in aiding the development and fruition of free and democratic societies around the world.

Obama perhaps worked better in a more localized venue ...like in citified politics. But the city is not like the world where the latter is the 'big time'. If running America is like playing basketball Obama looks like he suffers from looking for the 3 pointers too much or simply just takes bad shots. And no way he can dunk through anything. And if he goes for the big shots they mostly clang and bounce off the rim. Better to go for the pick and roll and passing game. Kind of a better percentage. Now I'd really wonder if he was a good player on those Chicago courts of his....;-)...
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Old 02-12-2015, 05:24 PM
 
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Obama ...world's best political leader in past 50 years?

I'd think this will be the assessment

When history and historians looks back at the Obama stewardship of the United States of America in the early 21st the assessment will be that he had arguably set back American foreigh policy on the global stage for the next 50 years. At that last he'd probably be called out on having the United States losing the initiative in aiding the development and fruition of free and democratic societies around the world.

Obama perhaps worked better in a more localized venue ...like in citified politics. But the city is not like the world where the latter is the 'big time'. If running America is like playing basketball Obama looks like he suffers from looking for the 3 pointers too much or simply just takes bad shots. And no way he can dunk through anything. And if he goes for the big shots they mostly clang and bounce off the rim. Better to go for the pick and roll and passing game. Kind of a better percentage. Now I'd really wonder if he was a good player on those Chicago courts of his....;-)...
On the world stage, the United States is using the weaknesses of its rivals against them. Russia is driving away everyone in the old Soviet sphere of influence by trying to exert direct military power in Ukraine and Georgia. Kiev is now looking to Europe for a partner, which itself looks to Washington. Russia's sphere of influence is shrinking and it is trying to hold the line with its military power, which in turn makes its neighbors look to the West.

Likewise, Chinese exercise of maritime power pushes its neighbors closer to the U.S., as the only conceivable counterweight to Chinese influence. From India to Japan to South Korea to old foe Vietnam, U.S. ties are growing stronger.

George Bush tried to foist democracy upon foreign countries. He wound up sparking civil wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and gave Gaza to Hamas. The lesson is that democracy and freedom are better spread by example than by intervention.

To borrow your simile, Obama's foreign policy is playing stout defense, forcing opponents to make mistakes and take difficult shots. Obama's domestic policy is to push the pace, catch the defense before its set, and look to create opportunities for the Democrats to finish in '16 on transition. That's what his State of the Union was about, and his recent executive actions fall in that bucket as well.
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Old 02-12-2015, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Good lord, what a delusional view.

But please continue to drink that government KoolAid.
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Old 02-15-2015, 09:01 AM
 
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Obama ...world's best political leader in past 50 years?

I'd think this will be the assessment

When history and historians looks back at the Obama stewardship of the United States of America in the early 21st the assessment will be that he had arguably set back American foreign policy on the global stage for the next 50 years. At that last he'd probably be called out on having the United States losing the initiative in aiding the development and fruition of free and democratic societies around the world.
Would you prefer warmonger John McCain, so American youth could die in vain for those fuzzy values we are trying to impose in the Middle East?
Yes , many prefer Obama had started another war, this time with Iran so that war industries could siphon billions of dollars from taxpayers' pockets while thousands of Americans are dying for no freaking reason.
Yes some want a war with Russia or China because this is the only way for them to feel being a patriot.
Sorry, you are NOT president of the United States, and it is good
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Old 02-15-2015, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Windsor, Ontario, Canada
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^^^ Hey Page, you know Obama just went to Congress to see if they're cool with another 3 years of boots on the ground, young American killing, war, right?
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Old 02-15-2015, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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It would be interesting to hear from the OP who he would consider the world's best political leader in the previous 50 years, 1915-1965.

Let's see if he names an American president, beyond which he has no vision. Or maybe Jomo Kenyatta, to keep the racial pot boiling. Actually, Kenyatta would not be a bad choice, he knocked over the first domino of the collapse of Europe's colonial empires. Oh, no, wait -- by Obama's standards, Kenyatta was a terrorist, and Obama is the greatest leader of the next 50 years..

It would be interesting to hear how Obama sums up Kenyatta and the Mau-mau uprisings in Kenya in the 1950s, vis-s-vis AlQaeda and ISIS..

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Old 02-15-2015, 08:29 PM
 
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^^^ Hey Page, you know Obama just went to Congress to see if they're cool with another 3 years of boots on the ground, young American killing, war, right?
Republicans are mad at him because he doesn't want to intervene in Iraq. They blame him for rolling a red carpet for ISIS. I hope those so called conservatives will come up, write and sign their names with the date and acknowledge they pushed this president to go to war.
Why Mr. AL Maliki former prime minister of Iraq doesn't tell his tribe to face ISIS alone?

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Old 02-15-2015, 09:13 PM
 
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It would be interesting to hear from the OP who he would consider the world's best political leader in the previous 50 years, 1915-1965.

Let's see if he names an American president, beyond which he has no vision. Or maybe Jomo Kenyatta, to keep the racial pot boiling. Actually, Kenyatta would not be a bad choice, he knocked over the first domino of the collapse of Europe's colonial empires. Oh, no, wait -- by Obama's standards, Kenyatta was a terrorist, and Obama is the greatest leader of the next 50 years..

It would be interesting to hear how Obama sums up Kenyatta and the Mau-mau uprisings in Kenya in the 1950s, vis-s-vis AlQaeda and ISIS..
I would start from 1897. Do you know William McKinley,the money guy ? anti union like hell ! he was bought by big corporates folks ( Rockefeller, Carnegie and Ford). He is not among the greatest.
So if one starts from there, we would have a competition between the following
1. Woodrow Wilson( 1913-1921): he was the wisest one at the Versailles treaty after WW1, asking the French and the British not to humiliate the Germans. he had common sense and could foresee a possible German revenge , which actually happened in 1939-1945.
2. Roosevelt with the New Deal.
3. Truman for keeping MacArthur under control during the Korean war. Hadn't Truman been vigilant enough, there would have been an atomic mushroom over China which would have triggered a Soviet nuke on America.

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Old 02-15-2015, 11:13 PM
 
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In other words, the only candidates for your "world's greatest leader" have to meet the minimum qualification of being president of the United States? Which narrows it down to less than ten eligible contenders per 50 years, and makes it pretty easy to choose a few finalists from that field. Meanwhile, 95% of all potentially great leaders are automatically ineligible from birth, no matter what they achieve during their lifetime.

And the current one is a shoe-in, since none of the consequences of anything he has done have yet precipitated out of the solution with the passage of time and events.

Now I see how you came up with your choice.
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Old 02-16-2015, 12:24 AM
 
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In other words, the only candidates for your "world's greatest leader" have to meet the minimum qualification of being president of the United States? Which narrows it down to less than ten eligible contenders per 50 years, and makes it pretty easy to choose a few finalists from that field. Meanwhile, 95% of all potentially great leaders are automatically ineligible from birth, no matter what they achieve during their lifetime.

And the current one is a shoe-in, since none of the consequences of anything he has done have yet precipitated out of the solution with the passage of time and events.

Now I see how you came up with your choice.
Thought you were checking something else.

As for the world from 1915 through 1965. Let's see:


Europe:
King Georges VI of the United Kingdom: he expended the influence of his kingdom , but at what cost?
Wilhelm II the German kaiser for strengthening Germany. Messed up in WW1.


Africa: Lumumba in the Congo


Asia
Chiang Kai -Shek
Stalin was great in defending his country against Germany.Other than that,many portrayed him as being a horrible dictator. Don't know whether it is true or false.

USA: Woodrow Wilson. FDR, Truman.


Latin America: Don't know that much.

Conclusion: To me the best would be the one who prevented the world from being full of atomic craters.
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