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Old 03-05-2015, 07:30 PM
 
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They didn't, they belonged to British North America and were bargained away by the Brits over the objections of the Canuks.
Only a small part of Rupert's Land south of the current border belonged to the British. The 49th parallel was already established by then. The dispute was mainly the Oregon Territory where the U.S. claimed B.C. up to the Alaskan panhandle and Britain claimed all the way down to northern CA

 
Old 03-05-2015, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Only a small part of Rupert's Land south of the current border belonged to the British. The 49th parallel was already established by then. The dispute was mainly the Oregon Territory where the U.S. claimed B.C. up to the Alaskan panhandle and Britain claimed all the way down to northern CA
True enough but the British gave up title to quite a bit of land in the middle of the continent also. All land draining into Hudson's bay was British. That includes the entire red river watershed

Red River of the North - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have you ever head of this war involving the state of Main and British claims?

Aroostook War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aroostook_War

Here is another interesting one. Canada was not happy with the results of the British deal with the USA and it's historically important as it was the last time Canada ever allowed the British to negotiate anything on Canada's behalf.

Alaska boundary dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Old 03-05-2015, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Denmark
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True enough but the British gave up title to quite a bit of land in the middle of the continent also. All land draining into Hudson's bay was British. That includes the entire red river watershed

Red River of the North - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have you ever head of this war involving the state of Main and British claims?

Aroostook War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aroostook_War

Here is another interesting one. Canada was not happy with the results of the British deal with the USA and it's historically important as it was the last time Canada ever allowed the British to negotiate anything on Canada's behalf.

Alaska boundary dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Then the US would give the land back to the UK who would then give it back to the native tribes, and the giving back would continue all the way back to the first humans who crossed the Bering Strait thousands of years ago. Not only is your view absurdly nationalistic, but it doesn't even make any sense to begin with.

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Here is another interesting one. Canada was not happy with the results of the British deal with the USA and it's historically important as it was the last time Canada ever allowed the British to negotiate anything on Canada's behalf.
That's not true at all. Canada was part of the British Empire and didn't have any control over diplomacy until it was granted this privileged by the British under the Statute of Westminster of 1931. At the end of World War I the British negotiated the Versailles treaty for the entire British Empire including Canada, and Canada also had to join the war in 1914 when the British told them to.

Canada didn't even have it's own citizenship until 1947, and didn't become an independent country until 1982.
 
Old 03-05-2015, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Canada
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let's not even talk about the ridiculous names Europeans gave certain vegetables that were taken from the Americas

Tomatoes originated in central America and domesticated by the Mayans over 1 thousand years ago, a staple of the area for centuries = Italian tomatoes!

Cucumbers = domesticated in north america over one thousand years ago = english cucumbers

Potatoes = domesticated over 1 thousand years ago in the highlands of the Andes, with over 2000 varieties = Irish potatoes

yet Europeans have known these vegetables only a couple of centuries after they were taken to Europe by europeans who sacked the Americas.
The ones that have national names attached to them are hybrids that have been modified and developed from the indigenous originals and given the name of the country where the modifications happened with credits going to the modifiers.

Here's an example:

Zoisite (that's me) took one product that is indigenous to India and another product of the very same family that is indigenous in South Africa but has slight differences in size, quality and colour due to different climate. Then Zoisite crossed those two and developed a hybrid product and then modified that product's generations over the course of 11 years and created something that is different, bigger and differently coloured and much better quality than either one of the original two. When Zoisite was finished with the modifications the product that was the end result after 11 years was given a name that shows it is a product of Canada and credit is given to Zoisite as the person (creator) who created the modifications.

The same thing happened with Italian tomatoes, English cucumbers and Irish potatoes and a whole host of other fruits, vegetables, flowers, trees, animals, birds and fish from around the whole world.

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Old 03-05-2015, 08:40 PM
 
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No it's not. Most times the governments asks France that they would come and kick some separatist/islamist/terrorist ass, because themselves don't have the money or modern weapons. So the French comes as a token of friendship gaining at the same time valuable combat experience. For example in Mali the French stopped the Al Qaida / ISIS advance singlehandedly. Who would think that's a bad thing?

Stop spewing propaganda about things you have no knowledge of.
Lol seriously? That is a third grade level understanding of relations between ex-colonial powers and their former colonies.

There are many, many economic benefits for European countries to maintain presence and control in many of the former colonies. There are massive investment opportunities, as well as uneven trade agreements that benefit them more than the local people. There is a pool of low pay labor to exploit. Etc..etc...
 
Old 03-05-2015, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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honey read the history of the island, it was often visited by Feugians... which have inhabited the land of fire next to the island for thousands of years (it might as well be theirs)....

the natives of the Americas made a mistake, they saw land as something that belongs to everyone, then along comes the civilized European man with class stratifications, and desperate for an earthy metal with a subjective value called gold and so on and claim ownership of lands that dont belong to them, then dump MILLIONS of slaves from Africa, then exterminate the locals on great part and then send millions of immigrants who now claim they are the "typical native people of these places"

an anglo is NOT a native of falklands.... they are settlers, the island had already been discovered and visited by Feugians (the indigenous of the land of fire) for thousand of years, in fact they considered it sort of a sacred place!!!
Cambridge Journals Online - Polar Record - Abstract - Fuegian Indians in the Falkland Islands
I haven't gone through the entire thread so maybe someone has already addressed this, but... this is a cut-and-paste of something I put said in a different thread in regards to Israel/Palestine in Current Events yesterday (which I recognize is a thorny issue and I'm not attempting to discuss here):

"One of the big issues when it comes to discussions about the appropriation of land in Israel, the US, or other such places, is that you now have, in the case of Israel, three or four generations of people who are native Israelis and a couple dozen generations of people who are native Americans (not Native Americans by ethnicity/culture, but native-born Americans) who, regardless of their ancestral roots, now also call that place home through absolutely no fault of their own. They can't "go back to Europe" or "go back to Africa" or go back to anywhere because they aren't from there. The place they were born and raised is their home. How is forcing them to leave the home that they were born into, again, through no fault of their own, and "go back" to a place they have probably never been and may not be welcome to "go back" to solving anything?

...

The reality of the situation is that now, there are Israelis in Israel and that is their home, like it or not. Throwing out slogans about them being occupiers does nothing to solve the crisis at all as we can't turn back time and prevent Jewish emigration to Israel from taking place."

That applies here, too. The majority of Falklanders were born there; to hand the island over to the descendants of a group of people who never actually settled there, kicking out people who were born and raised and have homes there, is pretty messed up, but it seems as though there are people who get misty-eyed over thoughts of natives living off the land and sitting around fires, gazing at the stars, and think that it's acceptable to ruin the lives of people today to right wrongs they had no hand in that occurred generations ago.

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Although Fuegians from Patagonia may have visited the Falkland Islands in prehistoric times,[15] the islands were uninhabited at the time of their discovery by Europeans.

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The Falklands remained uninhabited until the 1764 establishment of Port Louis on East Falkland by French captain Louis Antoine de Bougainville, and the 1766 foundation of Port Egmont on Saunders Island by British captain John MacBride.
Colonialism wasn't cool; the European empires did plenty of awful things. The Falkland Islands were actually a rare situation in which the colonial empires didn't totally decimate a local population to get land; in the situations in which local populations were decimated to obtain land, of course these were heinous injustices.

They also happened well over 100, 200, in some cases 300+ years ago. The perpetrators are dead. Their children are dead, too. The people who live in those lands now are people who, again, were either born there through no fault of their own - or they immigrated to that place to take advantage of life there in a society built by those people born there through no fault of their own and added to that nation's modern cultural state. I'll wager to bet that you are one of these people, too. Have you considered giving back your family home to a native family, to right historical injustices?
 
Old 03-05-2015, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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All this leads me to another thing I stated in that other thread: "As an aside, I wonder why so many fewer people seem to get their panties in a bunch over the "occupation" or theft of lands by the Spanish in Latin America? It seems like everyone is more than happy to come down hard on the British for their colonialism, cry over the loss of native lands to Anglo settlers and their descendants, and demand retribution for these historical injustices, but the appropriation of land and cultural imperialism by Spain is a non-issue.
 
Old 03-06-2015, 01:19 AM
 
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French Guyana is a south American territory, it belongs to France thru colonization (time will come when South American countries, especially Brazil will press the issue though)

Also in South America we have the Falklands belong to the UK (why is a country over 5 thousand kilometers away from those islands there?) I am sure eventually they'll have to let it go. (the US already told them they are 100 neutral on the matter and will not get involved as it would against its McCarthyist doctrine)

Several islands in the Caribbean (Martinique, Guadeloupe) are French, so is an island right off the coast of Canada.... why?

UK virgin islands, cayman islands = UK..... why?

Greenland, an enormous island sitting on the extreme north of the North American plate belongs to denmark.... why?

shouldn't the americas make an effort to kick Europe out? why are they allowed to have land on a continent that is clearly not theirs?
It isn't the matter of justice but of policy, diplomacy and military power. That is why Greenland belongs to Denmark not Denmark belongs to Greenland. Forget about justice, it's just a word for manipulations speaking about world policy.
 
Old 03-06-2015, 02:22 AM
 
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415_s2k's two excellent posts above summarise exactly why the UK and France shouldn't be kicked out of the Americas". The thread should closed now before we get more feeble trolling from the likes of Bonjour.
 
Old 03-06-2015, 03:05 AM
 
Location: Atlanta's Castleberry Hill
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Is not your nation problem Muslim radicals and terrorism.
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