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Old 08-31-2015, 05:23 AM
 
Location: London, NYC & LA
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Over the last few decades, I have always surprised that Europe never seemed to suffer from large flows of people illegally entering the region. This was very surprising when compared to the US, where the debate about illegal immigration from the Americas has been an issue for as long as I remember.

Perhaps now Europe will continue to have a persistent issues with migration from the Middle East and Africa. I wonder what the rammifications of this migration will be?

Unlike the Americas, European nations have not historically been countries based on mass immigration. Some nations like France and Britain have absorbed more foreign populations due their former imperial possessions. But it will be interesting to see how a nation like Austria or Poland fares?

Although there has been a rise in populist movements, there has not been a massive lurch to the right as some folks expected.

Given Austria has now announced they are now restarting border controls, will the migration crisis undermine the EU as a integrationist project?
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Old 08-31-2015, 05:34 AM
 
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I don't know , it's too early to say. AllI know is that we are bombarded by media reports on the migrants, in order to make us feel guilty if we don't allow them in. And it's an actual tsunami, 800 000 people for Germany only; normal people should be astounded, flabbergasted at the idea of such huge masses of foreigners swarming in. But I don't witness much reaction from the European populace. I believe people are terrified to utter something not politically correct, and hush or pay lip service to the official EU Policy of open borders for "refugees". The situation is bad indeed and getting worse to the day, and I don't envision any end to the crisis in the short run.
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Old 08-31-2015, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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In the case of Europe, the immigrants are from a culture that wants to destroy the West while in the USA, the Hispanic immigrants want to tap into the benefits of the USA but not destroy it. We (USA) are in much better shape than Europe as far as the recent immigrants are concerned.
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:32 AM
 
Location: God's Gift to Mankind for flying anything
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Does anybody, who is concerned with the immigration status in his/her country, ever take into account that the USA (I think) is the only country where a child born in the USA, automatically has local citizenship !??

The *result* of that occasion opens up a whole other problem (for the USA) than just getting a job and have a slight better life in the *new* country for the immigrant (many of them staying illegally in the USA) !!

Take any country in Europe.
OK, you have immigrants there.
How many of them are illegally there ?

Personally I think, that if the USA would be able to
throw out all illegal *aliens*, (I hate that term !!!),
the economy might go awry,
since they are about the only ones,
who are willing to do all those jobs,
most USA citizens are NOT willing to perform !!

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Old 08-31-2015, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Taipei, Taiwan
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Does anybody, who is concerned with the immigration status in his/her country, ever take into account that the USA (I think) is the only country where a child born in the USA, automatically has local citizenship !??
It is not the only one.


All the blue ones are.
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Old 08-31-2015, 09:07 AM
 
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Does anybody, who is concerned with the immigration status in his/her country, ever take into account that the USA (I think) is the only country where a child born in the USA, automatically has local citizenship !??

The *result* of that occasion opens up a whole other problem (for the USA) than just getting a job and have a slight better life in the *new* country for the immigrant (many of them staying illegally in the USA) !!

Take any country in Europe.
OK, you have immigrants there.
How many of them are illegally there ?

Personally I think, that if the USA would be able to
throw out all illegal *aliens*, (I hate that term !!!),
the economy might go awry,
since they are about the only ones,
who are willing to do all those jobs,
most USA citizens are NOT willing to perform !!
No, birth based citizenship is not unique to the USA. Canada and almost the entire Americas do that too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

I think it should be abolished. At least one of the parent should be a PR or US citizen.
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Old 08-31-2015, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Northern Ireland and temporarily England
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It depends where you live. It doesn't affect me in my country/region.
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Old 08-31-2015, 10:48 AM
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Or they might churning the idea that better be nice in case that someday Europeans have to move en masse. West Germany took 12M from DDR, Germans but raised in DDR. Prussians, Prussians were treated badly when they came with their clothes on. During the war, Germany had perhaps 5 to 10 million "not so gastarbeiter".

Don't forget that many Germans have a "guilt complex", I don't know why because German people are not guilty of anything. Anyways, more gastarbeiters, German machinery will absorb them.

In the case of the US, it's a subrosa immigration, not illegals. Mexicans are needed by the economy, as usual, the "trodden masses" protest to no use, they protested with every wave that came before.

Not exactly there was a huge backlash in the 1890's when Southern/Eastern European immigrants began outnumbering the North/Westen European immigrants to the USA which resulted in the racist and xenophobic quotas of the Johnson-Reed act of 1924 which pretty much remained unchanged until the Immigration and Nationality act of 1965.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:E..._1881-1940.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924
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Old 08-31-2015, 12:43 PM
 
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No, the situation in Europe is nothing like in the U.S.

First, this is a crisis of people seeking asylum. The U.S. has relatively few asylum seekers, and there isn't much controversy around their asylum.

Second, the U.S. does not get that many "illegals", at least not nowadays. Most undocumented came decades ago. Most immigration experts believe the "illegal" population has actually dropped in recent years, so the most recent net numbers are probably less than zero (ie, more undocumented are leaving than entering). It's very difficult to enter the U.S. illegally, while comparatively easy to enter Western Europe illegally.

Third, most undocumented in the U.S. are hardworking Catholics of Latin American descent who came only to work (they don't even qualify for public benefits) while most undocumented in Europe are Muslims on public assistance who have no plans to work or integrate into society.

Fourth, the U.S. is a nation of immigrants, like a Canada or an Australia. The whole point of the U.S. is to be an immigrant melting pot. Most European countries are nation-states built around a common ethnic and cultural identity, so immigration of "others" threatens the state in a manner different than in a U.S. or Canada or Australia.

To be blunt, if the U.S. were majority Hispanic or Asian 100 years ago (won't happen, but let's pretend), the U.S. identity, for better or for worse, would remain about the same. But if Germany or France are majority Muslim 100 years from now, I am 100% certain that these countries will no longer have the same identity.
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Old 08-31-2015, 04:40 PM
 
Location: God's Gift to Mankind for flying anything
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It is not the only one.
All the blue ones are.
We have one child born in Germany (while working there) and she was not able to get any German Citizenship. At least one has to be a local citizen !! We were both USA citizens !
Same thing in Switzerland.

In the USA however, no idea about all those other countries, the citizenship of the parents has nothing to do with the citizenship of the child that is born in the USA !!
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