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Old 01-08-2016, 01:10 AM
 
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Does god like what the Jews of Israel are doing to Palestine?
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Since god isn't intervening on their behalf, it seems like he's spoken...

(I'm an atheist, but, just sayin'...)
I don't know nor care what your "god" thinks, but the basic eschatological point of view is that the Biblical God is incensed by the gentiles partitioning his land set aside for his people. Would that answer your question?

As for the OP I think Israel is greatly maligned by the liberal press all around the world and, though they have committed some heinous acts, as any nation in a de facto state of war has done, their portrayal is grossly out of scale with what they've done.
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Old 01-10-2016, 01:51 AM
 
Location: Charlottesville
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Considering Israel is an illegitimate state created by Western Countries within the last 100 years, is filled with people that are not native to the region, and is monstrously violent and xenophobic, I side with Palestine. Israelis need to go back to Europe.
Which Israelis? I'll guess you mean Jews and not anyone else living under the Israeli flag. Anyone 68 or younger was there under the Israeli flag. They are in the land they were born in. So your saying the senior citizens should be shipped off somewhere. Well that's not going to work well either since 80% of those where there since before the mandate. So, figuring around 5000 still alive that fit's your agenda, where are you going to ship off those 5000 elderly people?
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Old 01-10-2016, 02:08 AM
 
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Considering Israel is an illegitimate state created by Western Countries within the last 100 years, is filled with people that are not native to the region, and is monstrously violent and xenophobic, I side with Palestine. Israelis need to go back to Europe.
1. Much of the Middle East centered on the Levant are artificial states drawn up along old colonial lines.

The Sykes-Picot Agreement (1916)

2. Jewish settlers bought the territory at extortionate prices from the Muslim Effendi, who considered the land barren and worthless.

The Peel Commission Report (1936)

3. The sole purpose of the Palestinian identity is, not for self-determination, but to serve as the diplomatic arm of a regional political agenda. That is because all possible military options up until that point had failed. Most do not originate from the land, having arisen from two large waves of Arab migration following revitalization of the land by the Jewish.

“The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian people’ to oppose Zionism." Zouhair Moussein (PLO Leader 1971-1979), Trouw 1977

4. "The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." Abba Eban (1973)

Throughout their history, the Palestinians have consistently rejected overly-generous land deals with little deliberation. To cite just two recent examples, they spurned a breakthrough two-state plan by Ehud Barak in 2000 and an even more generous deal by Ehud Olmert (granting them pretty much all of the West Bank) in 2008



CAMERA: Palestinians Rejected Statehood Three Times, Claim Frustration -- with Israel




Take home message for the historically literate: The Palestinians, or specifically, their leadership, clearly do not desire statehood or peaceful co-existence. Their only agenda is to eradicate the Jews. It is single-minded, monstrously violent and delusional in purpose and implementation. Israel's only mistake was not to annex the land when they had the opportunity.
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Old 01-10-2016, 02:53 AM
 
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More racism, bigotry, and lies. Par for the course, sadly, but the truth is the truth, and no matter how long you run away from it, it's specter will always follow you:

The majority of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from prehistoric European women, according to study published today (October 8) in Nature Communications. While the Jewish religion began in the Near East, and the Ashkenazi Jews were believed to have origins in the early indigenous tribes of this region, new evidence from mitochondrial DNA, which is passed on exclusively from mother to child, suggests that female ancestors of most modern Ashkenazi Jews converted to Judaism in the north Mediterranean around 2,000 years ago and later in west and central Europe.

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articl...shkenazi-Jews/


Israelis are warmongering, genocidal, occupiers that are native to Europe, and should therefore return from whence they came. They have no claim to the West Asia.
Do you understand who exactly the Ashkenazi are?
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Old 01-10-2016, 03:07 AM
 
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Considering Israel is an illegitimate state created by Western Countries within the last 100 years, is filled with people that are not native to the region, and is monstrously violent and xenophobic, I side with Palestine. Israelis need to go back to Europe.
You know...this is such bull***, I feel bad for even wasting my time to reply to such incredibly biased, trollish posts but now that I'm waiting for a coffee and have nothing better to do till I go out...here you go:

1. There were MANY jews living in Israel prior to 1948 - about 35% of the Population as I wrote earlier in my posts here.
2. It was not created by "western states". Israel fought 6 wars since 1948, winning every single one of them without foreign troops intervening.
3. How can you call it "violent" and "xenophobic"? Israel is the most liberal part of the Middle East, they had female PM, female soldiers, biggest pride in the middle east, equal rights guaranteed by constitution, hospitable people and 25% Muslims who the locals tolerate greatly. If this was the Balkans/Greece/Bulgaria etc. I can assure people will never let so many Muslims especially given the history with them.

Lastly, they can't "go to Europe" since they don't originate from Europe.
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Old 01-10-2016, 03:20 AM
 
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More racism, bigotry, and lies. Par for the course, sadly, but the truth is the truth, and no matter how long you run away from it, it's specter will always follow you:

The majority of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from prehistoric European women, according to study published today (October 8) in Nature Communications. While the Jewish religion began in the Near East, and the Ashkenazi Jews were believed to have origins in the early indigenous tribes of this region, new evidence from mitochondrial DNA, which is passed on exclusively from mother to child, suggests that female ancestors of most modern Ashkenazi Jews converted to Judaism in the north Mediterranean around 2,000 years ago and later in west and central Europe.

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articl...shkenazi-Jews/


Israelis are warmongering, genocidal, occupiers that are native to Europe, and should therefore return from whence they came. They have no claim to the West Asia.
Go back and read any document to want. The majority at it's inception was Mizrahi and the Majority today is still Mizrahi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews
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Old 01-10-2016, 04:05 AM
 
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Yes, they're European religious converts.

"The groups of Jews known as "Ashkenazim" technically refers to Jews descended from the medieval Jewish communities of the Rhineland Valley, encompassing most of modern-day Germany and part of northern France. Though literally translated as "German Jews," the term today is defined much more broadly, and includes Jews descended from European communities such as Poland, Lithuania, and Russia. (Jews with Spanish, Portuguese, African, or Middle Eastern ancestry are considered Sephardim. Similar to "Ashkenazi," the term "Sephardic" has become much more loosely defined over the centuries.)"

Stand for Israel - Ashkenazi Jews : Ethnic Groups
So completely irrelevant to the point. Unless it's your contention that all, or even the majority of the Jews in Israel are Ashkenazi. The basic talking point here seems to have gone over your head.
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Old 01-10-2016, 05:12 AM
 
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You're the one that questioned whether or not I knew what an Ashkenazi was. In any case, as it concerns Mizrahi Jews:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews
As anyone who can read the full article can point out, you're quoting out of context.

Your quote refers to custom rather than phylogeny.
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Old 01-10-2016, 06:10 AM
 
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You're the one that questioned whether or not I knew what an Ashkenazi was. In any case, as it concerns Mizrahi Jews:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews


And who were the Sephardi?



https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...Sephardim.html
Who cares about all this you've posted. As per your post:

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...Mizrahi Jews make up the largest ethnic group in Israel,...
Which means "Most" are Middle Eastern and not European. You've proven your own point to be wrong. Jews are where they belong: Israel.
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Old 01-10-2016, 07:21 PM
 
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Apparently, you cannot read:
...Spain isn't in Asia.
As Whites want to be in control of everything in the US. So do Ashkenazi and Sephardi (Spanish/African Jews) who are both of European descent control Israel. The Mizrahi are considered lower than them because they come from the backwards Middle East. As whites in the US control blacks, The same occurs to Mizrahi Jews. Until before WW2 the Mizrahi Jews were 90% of the population, by the time of the creation of Israel they were 80%. Mizrahi may fall under the jurisdiction of Sephardi, BUT they are NOT Sephardi.
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