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The impact of the KKK is fairly insignificant where I live in California. They're pretty much on the fringe and viewed as white trash pond scum even by many blue collar white people. They have more inluence in other states they have no power in the West.
This point is moot, i have never called for an end of free speech or even a large restriction. I don't see how Martin Luther King's speeches would have been silenced in any way given that he preached non violence and use of pacific means to reach equality.
I don't want my overlords to choose anything either but independent courts should intervene when a someone's (especially if influential) speech threatens any category of individuals
Nobody ever sees how their law is going to affect society. That's the tragedy of authoritarianism.
Let me ask you something. Would you have pleaded against free speech to ban Martin Luther (non-King) from nailing those theses on that church' door to possibly save millions of lives in the years to come?
Would you have pleaded in favor of free speech to allow people to speak up about what was going on in the Nazi death camps to possibly save millions of lives?
Who exactly do you think you are to think you can decide what others can say or not?
The impact of the KKK is fairly insignificant where I live in California. They're pretty much on the fringe and viewed as white trash pond scum even by many blue collar white people. They have more inluence in other states they have no power in the West.
It's pretty insignificant everywhere. The most optimistic numbers for active Klan membership, of all the various groups, is under 10000.
Now, you do have Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center who breathlessly declares that the Klan is a continuing threat. Ok Morris.
I do know a few members, or rather former members. I say former because they are all 20 years older than me, which puts them in their 80s. The youngest member I know, strangely enough he's in PA, is 75 or thereabouts.
It's pretty insignificant everywhere. The most optimistic numbers for active Klan membership, of all the various groups, is under 10000.
Now, you do have Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center who breathlessly declares that the Klan is a continuing threat. Ok Morris.
I do know a few members, or rather former members. I say former because they are all 20 years older than me, which puts them in their 80s. The youngest member I know, strangely enough he's in PA, is 75 or thereabouts.
In Ca the Aryan brotherhood and Nazi Low riders have more power than the KKK.
Nobody ever sees how their law is going to affect society. That's the tragedy of authoritarianism.
Let me ask you something. Would you have pleaded against free speech to ban Martin Luther (non-King) from nailing those theses on that church' door to possibly save millions of lives in the years to come?
Would you have pleaded in favor of free speech to allow people to speak up about what was going on in the Nazi death camps to possibly save millions of lives?
Who exactly do you think you are to think you can decide what others can say or not?
I don't this law would have affected society in away apart from extremist organizations such as KKK and the ones that have been listed in the thread. KKK could still exist and have rallies, they just could never incite for any kind of violence, let alone racially motivated ones.
In the same way, the Forza Nuova (neofascist party) exists in Italy and NDAP (neonazis) in Germany without the possibility for them to never go too far in their speeches and to be closely monitored.
Ultimately, Martin Luther King nor the people who spoke about what happened in Nazi camps after the War wouldn't have been condemned in any by a stricter enforcement of hate crimes so your points are moot. I get that you might disagree with my idea but at least appropriate points and comparisons
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It's pretty insignificant everywhere. The most optimistic numbers for active Klan membership, of all the various groups, is under 10000.
Now, you do have Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center who breathlessly declares that the Klan is a continuing threat. Ok Morris.
I do know a few members, or rather former members. I say former because they are all 20 years older than me, which puts them in their 80s. The youngest member I know, strangely enough he's in PA, is 75 or thereabouts.
As i said, it's probably my mistake to overestimate the importance of such groups but the fact that they are still given enough attention when their leader announces their support for a Republican candidate shows that although limited they do still have some sort of influence.
The Phrase "white pride" has always been used by white supremacist. When whites are proud in the same way that others are, it's always proud to be Irish, proud to be Italian etc. I always have to wonder about the people who bring this argument up.
Interestingly enough, the stripping of Hate Speech has been one of far right's main battles here in Italy so much that the really small neofascist party Forza Nuova (who gained 0,25% in the last elections) made it one of their main fights. One could say that racists could be easily recognized as those who want to erase the current Hate Speech law , anyway the current laws will punish someone only in quite extreme cases or whenever a speech that may be violence inducing is repeated
Maybe the current European system fits Europe best while the American fits the USA best
Makes perfect sense. In the US, racism has always been about keeping people separate where as in Europe historically, it has been more about wiping out the less desirable. Europe has a much stronger reason for banning hate speech.
The impact of the KKK is fairly insignificant where I live in California. They're pretty much on the fringe and viewed as white trash pond scum even by many blue collar white people. They have more inluence in other states they have no power in the West.
Not the entire west. They do have more influence in places like Idaho, Oregon and Arizona.
The impact of the KKK is fairly insignificant where I live in California. They're pretty much on the fringe and viewed as white trash pond scum even by many blue collar white people. They have more inluence in other states they have no power in the West.
You'd be surprised, they are alot more present in CA than you think. I thought the same until I started working in an area where White supremacy is quite strong. Now they have fuel to come out more and be more vocal.
You'd be surprised, they are alot more present in CA than you think. I thought the same until I started working in an area where White supremacy is quite strong. Now they have fuel to come out more and be more vocal.
Must be Santee, Ca.
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, anyway the current laws will punish someone only in quite extreme cases or whenever a speech that may be violence inducing is repeated
