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Old 09-01-2017, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Best thing about Paris metro: the hot guys
https://www.instagram.com/mecsmetroparis/

Otherwise it's horrible. Poorly managed, smelly, grim, and feels incredibly unsafe. However, it's at least reasonably priced, which puts it above the likes of London Underground, whose rates make you not want to get near it.
There are numerous discounts and reduced fares for the children, students, young visitors, apprectices, the unemployed (Jobcentre Plus Card), the disabled, senior citizens, HM Forces, Veterans etc, plus there are different zones and a difference between peak travel and off peak travel prices, and you can get all day travel in all zones for a set amount if you are going to be doing a lot of travelling.

There are also different prices for different types of transport. It also should be noted that London is a much larger city than NYC, which is why heavy rail is much more effective and much more evident and in terms of tourist destinations the vast majority are in Zones 1 and 2 rather than Zones 5 or 6.

Adults: Free & discounted travel - Transport for London

Tube and rail fares - Transport for London

London fare zones - Wikipedia

London Transport Fares have also been frozen until 2020 by the current Mayor and it should be noted that all profits are reinvested back in to improvements in the system, as Transport for London is a non-profit making organisation.

Fares freeze - Transport for London

Hopper fare - Transport for London

It's also worth getting an Oyster Card which more than halves the cost of London Transport. You can apply for an Oyster card or Visitor Oyster Card on-line before visiting London and can have it sent your address. The Oyster costs £3 and a Visitor Oyster card offers daily capping. This means you can travel as much as you like in a single day and the amount you pay for your travel is limited (or capped). For example, you can travel as many times as you like in a day in Zones 1 and 2 and you won't be charged more than £6.60 maximum for all your travel.

Is the London Underground the most expensive metro in Europe? | Metro News

Oyster - Transport for London

Visitor Oyster card - Transport for London

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Old 09-01-2017, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Paris
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Best thing about Paris metro: the hot guys
https://www.instagram.com/mecsmetroparis/

Otherwise it's horrible. Poorly managed, smelly, grim, and feels incredibly unsafe. However, it's at least reasonably priced, which puts it above the likes of London Underground, whose rates make you not want to get near it.
Yes, it's old. Smelly, gritty Unfortunately it's much more complicated than just homeless people and diffusing perfumes seems to be the only solution in many places for the smell (brake of old trains, sulfured hydrogen in the parisian soil, blablabla) ...

Poorly managed, yet 1.6 billion travelers (only metro...) in such a compact area, considering the age of the network, It's hard to make it Singapore like in term of organization. I don't know how it would be possible. It was badly designed, well not for a metropole like today. Only the GPE can change that now.

For the safety part, it's quite ... personnal. I never felt unsafe. Except pickpockets, the danger is... really marginal. But then Metro1 at 2pm and RER B in the north alone, woman, at 1h30 am are quite ... different.
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:25 AM
 
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There are numerous discounts and reduced fares for the children, students, young visitors, apprectices, the unemployed (Jobcentre Plus Card), the disabled, senior citizens, HM Forces, Veterans etc, plus there are different zones and a difference between peak travel and off peak travel prices, and you can get all day travel in all zones for a set amount if you are going to be doing a lot of travelling.

There are also different prices for different types of transport. It also should be noted that London is a much larger city than NYC, which is why heavy rail is much more effective and much more evident and in terms of tourist destinations the vast majority are in Zones 1 and 2 rather than Zones 5 or 6.
Still way too expensive. Even Londoners complain about the rates for the underground. An annual/monthly/weekly pass in London is easily twice or three times as expensive as one in Paris or Vienna.

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London Transport Fares have also been frozen until 2020
As it should be.

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Yes, it's old. Smelly, gritty Unfortunately it's much more complicated than just homeless people and diffusing perfumes seems to be the only solution in many places for the smell (brake of old trains, sulfured hydrogen in the parisian soil, blablabla) ...
I'm mostly referring to the smell of pee.

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For the safety part, it's quite ... personnal. I never felt unsafe. Except pickpockets, the danger is... really marginal. But then Metro1 at 2pm and RER B in the north alone, woman, at 1h30 am are quite ... different.
I never experienced robbery or pickpockets or violence on it either, but it just felt uneasy. It could be my skin colour. Asians are easy targets.
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Old 09-01-2017, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Still way too expensive. Even Londoners complain about the rates for the underground. An annual/monthly/weekly pass in London is easily twice or three times as expensive as one in Paris or Vienna.
Londoners on average earn a lot more than other parts of the country, and the cost of a travel card only equates to a couple of thousand pounds annually for a city that is twice the geographical size of NYC and which is investing £50 Billion on Crossrail 1 & 2, £5 Billion in Thameslink and many more billions in New Stock, Line Upgrades, Station Upgrades and extensions to lines. London Transport is non-profit making with all profits being reinvested in the system. HS1 cost a further £6 Billion including vast tunnels under London, with HS2 now given the go-ahead at an eye watering £55 Billion and the North wanting an HS3 between Liverpool and Hull.

Vienna does not have a system comparable with London, and London is receiving more than it's fair share of public subsidy and transport improvements when compared to other parts of the country.

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As it should be.

London has a choice, either invest or end up in trouble like NYC with ever more people using an already strained system, the truth being that other parts of the UK don't want to see ever more of their taxes going to London. They are already unhappy that London is receiving vast amounts of money for Crossrail & Crossrail 2 whilst at the same time the planned electrification of the pennine train routes has been scrapped, so I am afraid a higher percentage of money is going to have to be continued to be paid by Londoners themselves. There are alternatives such as the Buses which are much cheaper and off peak travel, as well as numerous discounts.

All aboard the north's rail powerhouse - Guardian

HS3 rail for northern England 'will happen', says MP - BBC News

Crossrail funding angers North mayors after electrification cuts

Thousands sign petition for more transport cash for north of England - Guardian

Transport secretary's backing for Crossrail 2 sparks anger outside London - Guardian

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Old 09-02-2017, 10:09 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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Would be great to hear someone chime in on Milan.
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Old 09-02-2017, 10:41 PM
 
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Would be great to hear someone chime in on Milan.
It was pretty decent, which surprised me as I expected it to be a disaster. The trains are clean.
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:18 PM
 
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London already has the largest electric and hybrid bus fleet in Europe with more than 2,500 buses, whilst all 9,200 London buses to be electric by 2037.

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Largest electric bus fleet in Europe


London already boasts the largest electric bus fleet in Europe with more than 2,500 hybrid electric buses running across the Capital.

The addition of new fully electric buses on routes 46, 153 and 214 will bring the total number of electric buses in London to over 170.

This includes route 360, which will convert to fully electric buses later this year, and routes 70 and C1 are set to follow in spring 2018.

Just last week, the Mayor announced a new £86.1m programme to cut harmful emissions from London's existing bus fleet.

Cutting pollution


Around 5,000 buses - more than half of the fleet - are set to be upgraded to meet the latest ultra-low Euro VI emissions standard, cutting pollution by up to 95%.

The Mayor also set out in his draft Transport Strategy that by 2037 at the latest, all 9,200 buses across London will be zero emission.

The electric routes are part of a major transformation the Mayor has asked TfL to deliver to reduce emissions from London's bus fleet.

Other innovative measures to clean up the capital's bus fleet include the phasing out of diesel-only buses and a commitment to purchase only hybrid or zero-emission double-decker buses from 2018.

TfL and the Mayor announce more fully-electric bus routes to cut toxic emissions - Transport for London


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Old 09-11-2017, 03:01 PM
 
Location: France
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It was pretty decent, which surprised me as I expected it to be a disaster. The trains are clean.
It's a rather small network for a city of its size imo. Don't know much about the suburban network though, maybe it makes up for it?
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Old 09-21-2017, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Paris
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It's a rather small network for a city of its size imo. Don't know much about the suburban network though, maybe it makes up for it?
The suburban rails of Milano are well developed, 12 lines for more than 400 km and 125 stations. More than the Cercanias of Madrid.
The metro is really young and modern, a great point for Milano. Well, it's the economic core of Italy after all, not surprising
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Old 09-26-2017, 11:19 AM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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The London Underground is known for it's simplified maps thanks to people sch as Henry Beck and schematic Tube maps, whilst all the system is intergrated to just use same contactless smart Oyster card, it's the least complicated system you could imagine.

Tube map - Wikipedia

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Maps - Transport for London
The problem is that it's distinct of other systems. In Paris, for example, the lines follow always the same path and stop in the same stations. BTW, I have never been to NYC, but a lot of people told me that the subway there is even weirder.

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