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Old 05-30-2016, 07:03 AM
 
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I find it interesting that Americans favour socialism in sports. The draft process in NFL would never work in European soccer. Formula One will never adopt the IndyCar Series model with just one chassis option and two engine options. I prefer the European Darwinistic model, as sports is all about winning.
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Old 05-30-2016, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Finland
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I find it interesting that Americans favour socialism in sports. The draft process in NFL would never work in European soccer. Formula One will never adopt the IndyCar Series model with just one chassis option and two engine options. I prefer the European Darwinistic model, as sports is all about winning.
Good point. NHL also has a draft process where the worst teams get to pick the talents first. And remember - no promotion and relegation in American sports.

The sense of 'honour' too. For example in college sports it's considered unsportsmanlike to humiliate your opponents. Like Team A leads massively, they pretty much stop playing so Team B can keep their face. In European sports the mentality is if you are leading 10-0, "let's make 10 more".

Robert Lewandowski scores 5 goals in 9 minutes. He would've probably scored 5 more if he could've:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUmyevBPLKo
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Old 05-30-2016, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Estonia
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For me, soccer is most of the time quite boring and pretty unrewarding to watch. It doesn't help that acting is pretty much part of the game, and thus the players of course have jelly in their legs.
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Old 05-30-2016, 08:04 AM
 
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For me, soccer is most of the time quite boring and pretty unrewarding to watch. It doesn't help that acting is pretty much part of the game, and thus the players of course have jelly in their legs.
Have you ever mistakenly kicked your foot on a leg of a table, chair or bed? Probably, and it temporarily hurts like hell. Try doing that after making interval running for an hour. That's pretty much the equivalent when two feet clash in a seemingly minor contact in football.
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Old 05-30-2016, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in Southern Italy
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I'm losing interest in football even though i used to be a fan of the sport (loved watching it even if my team wasn't involved) but i'm disenchanted by the increasing businessification of the sport. I think the right balance that used to be there until recently has been lost. There should be a salary and transfer cap that depends on how much a team gains (for example that means that Juventus would still be able to spend more than Chievo but not in the same disproportionate way it does now)

On top of that, i would prefer if fan ownership would be implemented instead as it would really make it more about passion and the fan's capabilities to manage the team than about landing the right owner (the Bundesliga is a model to follow in this respect, for example Bayern is reaping the benefits of years of wise decisions). In this moment, whether a team wins or not, it's become all about the luck of landing the interest of a wealthy businessmen (like Manchester City did)

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I find it interesting that Americans favour socialism in sports. The draft process in NFL would never work in European soccer. Formula One will never adopt the IndyCar Series model with just one chassis option and two engine options. I prefer the European Darwinistic model, as sports is all about winning.
It's not socialism the way i see, it would be socialism if the teams were owned by fans but the way the American system is set up it just guarantees the owners of whichever team a profit making it a form of capitalism which actually disguises itself under "socialism".
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Finland
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I'm losing interest in football even though i used to be a fan of the sport (loved watching it even if my team wasn't involved) but i'm disenchanted by the increasing businessification of the sport. I think the right balance that used to be there until recently has been lost. There should be a salary and transfer cap that depends on how much a team gains (for example that means that Juventus would still be able to spend more than Chievo but not in the same disproportionate way it does now)
I hear you. You could watch the Polish league, Croatian league... or the FINNISH LEAGUE!

Great match, players earning an average salary, no bling bling stadium, fake pitch, snow heaps on the sidelines...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGG5f8PAMxs
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:10 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Its been discussed many times on this forum, if you listed countries where football (soccer) is not the most popular sport it would include, The USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, what they have in common is they are all former British Colonies. It's far more than a coincidence in my opinion.

To give you an idea, Australia and England have been playing cricket against each other pretty much every three since the 1870's. It's one of the oldest international sporting contests in the world. Australia and England played only their second ever football (soccer) international against each other last week.
England v Scotland football matches were played before England v Australia cricket matches I believe, England v Scotland is the worlds oldest international sporting contest. England has played Australia at football 7 times, in England football is far mare important than cricket.
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:18 AM
 
Location: GIlbert, AZ
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Narrow the field by half, double the goal. and this "MIGHT" be interesting.
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:24 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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It's called soccer!! And no, USA is not really interested. They like big scores, they don't have good players, they don't like ties - the fact that soccer matches can end in a tie in the World Cup does not sit well with many of them.
Soccer is not "predictable" either - often the better team is NOT the winner. Every controversial foul that leads to a penalty kick, would probably end with a lawsuit
And lastly - kids don't aspire to be soccer players, because everyone dreams about big $$$
Keep in mind some basic American values: America is a culture that values winning, extremes, money, and the perception that people get what they deserve. And because until they win, interest will not grow, but until interest grows, most American youth will be unlikely to turn down opportunities in other sports to focus on soccer.
^^^This for the most part although Baseball scores are pretty small.

Personally, I like Soccer but then again, I'm an oddball.
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Narrow the field by half, double the goal. and this "MIGHT" be interesting.
Yeah. It's like saying remove all other chess buttons but the pawns, and then the game gets interesting.
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