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Old 07-27-2016, 12:57 AM
 
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I realize you don't listen...
And now listen to me.

English word "listen", Irish word "éist(eacht)"[listen], Scottish Gaelic word
"éisdeachd"[listening, earshot, hearing] are related with Uzbek word "эшитмоқ" (es(h)itmoq')[listen, hear] and Kazakh word "есіту" (esitu) [hear].
All these words are derived from the Bashkir word "ишетеү" (ishetyou) [hear, hearing].
English word "listen" comes from the Bashkir word (old pronunciation) "иcеттен?" (isetten) [Have you heard? or Did you hear?].



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The Italian word donna comes from a contraction of the Latin "domina." This is linked to the word "domus" which means "house."
You are wrong.
Italian word "donna" is derived from the Italian word "madonna" [madam, mistress].

The Latin word "domina" is translated as a lady, mistress and a wife.
Take a look at the Latin word "dominātio" [domination, monocracy, supreme power].
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Old 07-27-2016, 01:11 AM
 
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Saying Bashkir is Nostratic isn't saying much. Almost everyone and his dog speaks a language included in the Nostratic family; it's a pretty big one. The Bashkirs, speaking Turkic, belong to the Altaic language family, a sub-group of Nostratic.

So what? Is this a thread about Bashkir, or is it a thread to advertise and discuss the Nostratic macro-family?
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Old 07-27-2016, 01:12 AM
 
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Now if I were you I'd focus on why anyone should care even for 5 seconds what you're saying.

Start by explaining what is 'Bashkir'.
They're a Turkic-speaking people from around the Volga region, thought to be descendants of the Volga Bulgars.
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Old 07-27-2016, 01:16 AM
 
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The Russian word "дурень" (duren) [a fool] comes from the Mongolian word "дүйрэн" (duiren) [stupid, moron].
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Russian has a lot of Mongol loan words, for obvious reasons. That doesn't prove that both Mongol and Russian/Indo-European evolved from the same sub-stratum. You're picking the wrong vocabulary to demonstrate that. Look at some of the pronouns in Mongol and Russian; now there you'd have a better argument.
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Old 07-27-2016, 07:57 AM
 
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You are wrong.
Italian word "donna" is derived from the Italian word "madonna" [madam, mistress].

The Latin word "domina" is translated as a lady, mistress and a wife.
Take a look at the Latin word "dominātio" [domination, monocracy, supreme power].
No, YOU are wrong. You have not followed the etymology back far enough.

As I said, Latin domina is a derivative of domus, a house. The domina was the lady of the house.

The dominus was the lord and master of the domus, the house. Therefore the word "dominate, domination" and its derivates in other languages all ultimately also come from the Latin word for house.

Italian "donna" is a contraction of domina. Italian is a direct and recent descendant of Latin. There is no speculation involved in the history of this word.

Madonna is simply "ma" (my) + "donna" (lady). In other words "donna" came first, then "madonna."

Needless to say, none of this has a thing to do with the Japanese word for woman, "onna."

I suggest you enroll in an introductory Linguistics course to learn the basic principles of historical linguistics.
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Old 07-27-2016, 09:29 PM
 
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So what? Is this a thread about Bashkir, or is it a thread to advertise and discuss the Nostratic macro-family?
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Are you trying to make a case that all world languages are ultimately related? That English and Vietnamese have a common origin?
Yes.
Bashkir language is the parent language of all peoples.

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Russian has a lot of Mongol loan words, for obvious reasons. That doesn't prove that both Mongol and Russian/Indo-European evolved from the same sub-stratum. You're picking the wrong vocabulary to demonstrate that. Look at some of the pronouns in Mongol and Russian; now there you'd have a better argument.
Are you Russian?

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Old 07-27-2016, 09:42 PM
 
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Yes.
Bashkir language is the parent language of all peoples.
Even the Nostraticists don't claim that Nostratic is the common ancestor of all language. Southeast Asian and Sub-Saharan African languages are definitely excluded.

And I might add, for the sake of those who haven't heard of Nostratic, this hypothesis that a large number of distinct language families are genetically related is controversial, and does not include the novel idea that Bashkir itself is the proto-language.

However, the theory has become much more popular in Russia than elsewhere, so I suppose it is natural that someone from this area of the world would take pride in believing that a native tongue is "the parent language of all peoples."

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Old 07-28-2016, 04:55 AM
 
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However, the theory has become much more popular in Russia than elsewhere, so I suppose it is natural that someone from this area of the world would take pride in believing that a native tongue is "the parent language of all peoples."
I' like to thank you.
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Old 07-28-2016, 11:12 PM
 
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Japanese word 女(on'na) [woman], Italian word "donna" [woman] and Ukrainian pronoun "вона" (vona) [she] are related.
Add to this the Swedish words "hon" [she] and "hona" [a female].


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The Polish word "dureń" [a fool] and the Mongolian word "дүйрэн" (duiren) [stupid, moron] are related.
The Russian word "дурень" (duren) [a fool] comes from the Mongolian word "дүйрэн" (duiren) [stupid, moron].
Add to this the Ukrainian words "дурень" (duren) [a fool] and "дурня" (durnya) [a fool, an imbecile].

Albanian word "vaj" [oil, butter] and Hungarian word "vaj" [butter] are related.
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Old 07-31-2016, 11:06 PM
 
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The Latin word "Pater" [father, the founder, the patriarch] and the Bashkir word «батыр» (Batyr) [(epic) hero; Hercules] are related.
Cherokee word ᎠᏓᏙᏓ (adadoda) [father] and Azerbaijani word "ata" [father] are related.
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