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Old 08-05-2016, 01:49 AM
 
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Americans as individuals are the most philanthropic people on earth, by a wide margin.
Then you are disagreeing with the Charities Aid Foundation's World Giving Index 2015 (p. 11):
  • Myanmar (Score: 66%)
  • United States of America (Score: 61%)
  • New Zealand (Score: 61%)
  • Canada (Score: 60%)
  • Australia (Score: 59%)
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That may not be what some people want to read, but it certainly dispels the ME, ME, ME hypothesis.
It's not what people want to read, because it's untrue.

Given that America has a weaker social safety net than New Zealand, Canada and Australia, its overall score should be significantly higher than those countries. Why isn't that the case? Where is this "wide margin" you speak of?
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Old 08-05-2016, 02:03 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Americans as individuals are the most philanthropic people on earth, by a wide margin. That may not be what some people want to read, but it certainly dispels the ME, ME, ME hypothesis.

Compassion is a beautiful thing and very human, but governments know nothing of compassion. Government assistance destroys people. It takes their human spirit to survive, to succeed and puts it in the hands of other people. How is that compassionate? Dependency on the government makes the government more powerful and that is what none of us need.
Aren't the Danish or similar the most philantrophic people on Earth, as they pay taxes every single day, and elect for this system election after election after election?

I can sure say that my government is far more compassionate than the average Republican on C-D.

Are you self-employed? Did you build your own house? Probably not. A part of your destiny is in the hand of others, sorry to burst your bubble.
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Old 08-05-2016, 02:20 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Then you are disagreeing with the Charities Aid Foundation's World Giving Index 2015 (p. 11):
"Helping a stranger"

France 102 place

Le help? NOT FROM ME!

Those rude French. But pleased to see that Finns are the 3rd most eager of Europeans to help out a bro or sis, after the UK and Germany. Least eager were former communist countries, like Russia, Lithuania, Serbia, Bulgaria, Hungary and the like.
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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Governments send their people to war, they suppress dissent, tax people who work to fund those who don't. Governments limit freedom, restrict self determination and tend to be corrupt, all of them in varying degrees. Yet, you trust the government, any government?

Smaller government is better government, always. It's a necessary evil, but it should always be held in check. Unfortunately, too many people think like you do, particularly the young.
Reading comprehension is important. I trust 'large' developed governments more than I trust self-serving small ones, such as the USA's, where the well-endowed and corner-cutters are the ones who call the shots with a little too much frequency. Do I need to point to who the presidential candidates are currently?
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:31 AM
 
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Then you are disagreeing with the Charities Aid Foundation's World Giving Index 2015 (p. 11):
  • Myanmar (Score: 66%)
  • United States of America (Score: 61%)
  • New Zealand (Score: 61%)
  • Canada (Score: 60%)
  • Australia (Score: 59%)


It's not what people want to read, because it's untrue.

Given that America has a weaker social safety net than New Zealand, Canada and Australia, its overall score should be significantly higher than those countries. Why isn't that the case? Where is this "wide margin" you speak of?
Good stuff. For the purposes here, I will eliminate Myanmar because its Buddhist culture is a statistical outlier and can't be compared to the other advanced economies of the world. Now, in regard to the other countries, they have moved up the list nicely and here's why:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...onomic_freedom

New Zealand, Canada and Australia have all surpassed the US in economic freedom since Obama installed his agenda. The result is that people in those countries now have the means to be more giving. More proof that capitalism is not all about "me, me, me". When people are free to make choices with their own money, charity is one of the choices they opt to engage in.

Thank you for making an excellent point about the advantages of free markets.
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:50 AM
 
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Aren't the Danish or similar the most philantrophic people on Earth, as they pay taxes every single day, and elect for this system election after election after election?

I can sure say that my government is far more compassionate than the average Republican on C-D.

Are you self-employed? Did you build your own house? Probably not. A part of your destiny is in the hand of others, sorry to burst your bubble.
If compassion is giving your child everything that he asks for, paid with somebody else's money, then you might have a point, but that is not compassion. That will most likely ruin the child. I see it here in the US. The government will pay your rent, pay all of your medical, pay for your food, pay for your childcare, pay for your heat, assist with your electric bill and even give you a free cell phone. The people who receive this cradle to grave assistance are ruined. They have zero incentive to do anything with their lives other than to use drugs, sit on their Playstations all day, make babies and kill each other. How on earth is that a compassionate government??

Yes, self-employed and while a small business with only a few employees, they have all been with me for a very long time. Their value to my business is compensated appropriately in their eyes and mine or they would have left or been laid off years ago. The government did not need to dictate their compensation one iota.

I paid people to build my house, nobody gave it to me and I certainly did not ask for the government to pay for it. You did not burst my bubble, you only proved what I already knew; you do not understand free markets.

Sadly, my country has embarked on the wrong path, away from freedom and into the abyss of socialism. As such it will decline, as predicted by Alexander Tytler:

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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years."
BTW, I am definitely not a Republican. I have no interest in dictating the personal decisions that people make in regard to their bodies, their love lives, what foods and drugs they opt to consume, etc. I am advocate of freedom, probably more libertarian than anything else.

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Old 08-05-2016, 06:09 AM
 
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Reading comprehension is important. I trust 'large' developed governments more than I trust self-serving small ones, such as the USA's, where the well-endowed and corner-cutters are the ones who call the shots with a little too much frequency. Do I need to point to who the presidential candidates are currently?
If I can give you piece of advice in your life, it would be trust no government. Any government can and will steamroll you in second if you try to stand in the way of it, even Canada's. All of the governments in the industrialized world are heavily influenced (beholden to) by the evil corporations you appear to be alluding to.
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Old 08-05-2016, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, QC, Canada
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New Zealand, Canada and Australia have all surpassed the US in economic freedom since Obama installed his agenda. The result is that people in those countries now have the means to be more giving. More proof that capitalism is not all about "me, me, me". When people are free to make choices with their own money, charity is one of the choices they opt to engage in.
I can't speak for the other two countries, but if we traded our current PM, Justin Trudeau, for Barack Obama, you would be a lot more upset with him than you are with Obama.
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Old 08-05-2016, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Good stuff. For the purposes here, I will eliminate Myanmar because its Buddhist culture is a statistical outlier and can't be compared to the other advanced economies of the world. Now, in regard to the other countries, they have moved up the list nicely and here's why:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...onomic_freedom

New Zealand, Canada and Australia have all surpassed the US in economic freedom since Obama installed his agenda. The result is that people in those countries now have the means to be more giving. More proof that capitalism is not all about "me, me, me". When people are free to make choices with their own money, charity is one of the choices they opt to engage in.

Thank you for making an excellent point about the advantages of free markets.
Now the US is almost as economically free as socialist communist liberal atheist gun-hating freedom-loathing constitution-lacking surrendering Denmark!

DENMURICA!
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Old 08-05-2016, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Finland
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If compassion is giving your child everything that he asks for, paid with somebody else's money, then you might have a point, but that is not compassion. That will most likely ruin the child. I see it here in the US. The government will pay your rent, pay all of your medical, pay for your food, pay for your childcare, pay for your heat, assist with your electric bill and even give you a free cell phone. The people who receive this cradle to grave assistance are ruined. They have zero incentive to do anything with their lives other than to use drugs, sit on their Playstations all day, make babies and kill each other. How on earth is that a compassionate government??
I don't know a single government which does that.
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